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Alexey Zakharov

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Non-notable tennis player who fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. Sources I found, at least in English, are just routine match coverage. I am not familiar with the Russian language at all so if anyone can find anything of note in Russian, I am glad to reconsider. Adamtt9 (talk) 23:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of University of North Carolina at Charlotte student organizations

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Subject lacks the necessary coverage of the grouping from secondary sources (not the university itself or a student newspaper) to meet the WP:NLIST. A PROD was removed with the claim that there are many sources available, but I couldn't find any to support the notability of this list. Let'srun (talk) 23:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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*This discussion has been included in the DelSort list for: list of Fraternities and sororities-related deletion discussions. Jax MN (talk) 00:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This nomination was offered AFTER two significant references were added, confirming notability and accuracy. While yes, they are from the University, they are operationally distinct from the organizations themselves and are secondary in nature. Student organizations, normally operating without fanfare, are typically not the subject of national news. Nevertheless, on their campuses and in their communities, they remain notable. Some exist for as long as the college has existed. To summarize, this is a list class article, and a work in progress. Deletion would serve no purpose. Jax MN (talk) 00:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gynaecologists in chennai

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Article serving no clear purpose. As written, this just generally defines what gynaecology is (a purpose already served by the article gynaecology) and briefly states that the Indian city of Chennai has gynaecologists — but there's absolutely no evidence shown here that there's anything unique about Chennai's gynaecologists that would make them different from everywhere else's gynaecologists, which is the bar that an article about this would have to clear.
You could write an almost identical article about every other city in the entire world, so there would have to be a lot more uniquely city-specific substance than just "the city has gynaecological services, the end" to justify it.
And it's referenced almost entirely to general sources footnoting the "general universal concept of gynaecology" stuff, with the only source that's specific to Chennai being a government-published directory of the city's hospitals that says absolutely nothing about gynaecology at all, so even the sourcing is failing to demonstrate that gynaecology in Chennai needs its own standalone article independently of gynaecology everywhere else. Bearcat (talk) 22:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The creating editor knows exactly what they're doing (creating a WP:NOTDIR WP:ADVERT on our backs) and Sandeepchennai (talk · contribs)'s small punctuation edits are clearly trying to get extended confirmed to try to offer paid edits to providers onto the LLM'ed (badly) intro and probably expand their services to Podiatrists in chennai and etcetera. This is clearly a coatrack attempt to force an ad on here, and the piss-poor 'Google what is gynecology' sourcing and incorrect formatting of said sources only solidifies that. Thankfully this isn't title-evasion, but this is a spade. Nate • (chatter) 01:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In digging around Sandeep's edits I found the article for Mala Raj...really suspecting we're dealing with a sock nest creating a walled garden, as Dr. Raj is also from Chennai and looking at its history, they were just waiting to add her to the list once they got ECM privileges. Nate • (chatter) 03:09, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agata Rosłońska

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – I think we're facing the same issue as Michał Tomaszewski AfD months ago. From what I can see based on my Google search ("Agata Rosłońska łyżwiarka figurowa"), news media only refer to her as part of the figure skating duo with Tomaszewski; nothing in-depth about the woman herself. Corresponding article on Polish Wikipedia likewise does not have significant coverage in secondary sources. No news have been released on Tomaszewski over 20 years either. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Already PROD'd so not eligible for a Soft Deletion.
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Tunku Abdul Hamid Thani

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. No GNG sources. Regarding potential SNG, the only claim is that he is "Tunku Bendaharaof Kedah" Kedah is a state in Malaysia, and there is no mention of that position in that article even though it covers the leadership position in that state in depth. Also could not find anything on that position in a search. North8000 (talk) 22:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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AmiExpress

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Fails WP: GNG. I cannot find sources to establish notability. None of the sources that are currently in the article appear reliable. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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South Atlantic conflict

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WP:SYNTH: This article claims that a series of incidents between three nations over the 20th century are actually part of a single long-running conflict. None of the sources used in the article say this. This conflict doesn't exist. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per WP:OR, especifically WP:SYNTH. Concocted subject already covered by List of hostile incidents at the Argentine border. Darius (talk) 01:03, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marxist–Leninist Party of Ukraine

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Unsourced since 2009. The external link does not refer to this party, at least per machine translation. Only references I can find to this party are referring or reproducing this article. Smallangryplanet (talk) 20:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - I find nothing at all searching in either Ukrainian or Russian. There was 'Communist Marxist-Leninist Party of Ukraine' founded in 2013 by Leonid Grach [ru], which was clearly another party. --Soman (talk) 10:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shakir Pichler

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Article contains no reliable sources, has been marked as such for over 4 years. I've looked for sources but have been unable to find anything reliable or reputable, Google News, Newspapers and Books turns up nothing at all. Current text is likely original research, possibly advertising - suspicion they've been written by the person the article is about. Also question the notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Halfwaywrong (talk • contribs) 13:12, 12 November 2024

Delete - seems self-promotional, not even 130 results on Google Search. Not much on Google News either, bunch of social media links or brief mentions. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Starship.paint. and Halfwaywrong.

I was a bit surprised to see this page nominated for deletion out of the blue after its been online since I think 2007 or so.

There are currently About 1,570 results in google for "Shakir Pichler" in quotes and that's not including the extraneous ones if googled without quotes.

The sources are reliable - IMDB for example but I think it could do with some proper formatting perhaps.

I have edited it from time to time when others have added incorrect data as well as removing old social links like myspace from the days of old :) and this page is also linked on various other wiki pages band line-ups and feature films for example.

It's certainly not being used for 'self promotion' in any way but it is factual of someone who has made a worthy contribution to both Australian music as well as Australian and Hollywood feature films so not sure why it was targeted to be honest.

There are a bunch of other credible links I could provide when I have the time and I should edit the page to make it more up to date at some point.

Anyway, again, it's definitely not 'self promotional' just because I made sure it was factual.

I'd love some help in adding all the proper ref links (film credits) (Band credits) and things to make sure it adheres to any changing wiki regulations.

Thank you. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 01:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sexbeatrecords: - allow me to acquaint you with WP:RSP, where you can see that WP:IMDB is in fact generally unreliable. I suggest you find reliable sources to bolster the article. starship.paint (talk / cont) 11:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Starship.paint. Thanks. Wow, I always thought IMDB was highly ranked but good to know.

Every film credited on this wiki page is verifiable on each feature film's official imdb sub page but interesting to know it's not a reliable link even though some of the titles are big Hollywood movies.

Hopefully there are links to each film's official info separately somewhere although I have no idea where to look. The production companies involved perhaps?

WP:RSP does mention that there are exceptions to the unreliable sources. I would have thought that each film's official IMDB entry would be ok? like for one example "Jasper Jones" and then view all cast and crew to see "Shakir Pichler' listed as action vehicles coordinator. etc https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5091014/ Or still not good?

As I mentioned, I'd love to clean up the formatting of this page to adhere to Wiki's best practice. And how to add and format proper inline links...

Thanks again for your quick reply and advice. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 08:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sexbeatrecords: - actually the main concern here is WP:GNG. To put it in a different way, is Shakir Pichler a notable (prominent/important/distinguished) person? Wikipedia does not seek to write entries for everyone on Earth. If Shakir Pichler is notable, reliable sources will write about him. There will be journal articles, books, newspaper articles, magazine articles. It is up to you to prove that Shakir Pichler is notable by receiving reliable source coverage. starship.paint (talk / cont) 08:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of people seem to think so!

Considering how many Australian bands he has played and recorded/released albums with, released music videos aired on shows like ABC RAGE and interviewed multiple times on radio stations like Triple J & then there is the film industry side - considering how many feature films he has been THE action vehicles coordinator of and in also appearing IN some of these films, he should absolutely have a wiki entry that documents and links with these achievements. Bit surprised this is even in contention tbh.

There are lots of newspaper articles regarding Shakir Pichler in those bands in hard copy that go back to the mid 1980's that are not available online. 157.211.92.236 (talk) 12:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
city of sydney library https://library.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/Montage/Music.aspx?keyword=shakir+pichler&method=0&sort=1003&refinements= Sexbeatrecords (talk) 12:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again.

I found 2 pages that speak about Shakir Pichler in The Encyclopedia Of Australian Rock And Pop which is the Oz music Bible for want of a better word.

You are welcome to 'borrow' it for free digitally if you don't have it - the book is mentioned here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_of_Australian_Rock_and_Pop

You can borrow it here https://openlibrary.org/works/OL2288124W/The_encyclopedia_of_Australian_rock_and_pop

About Shakir Pichler in the kryptonics - page 352

And about Shakir Pichler in The bamboos - page 39

I will keep looking for other links when I have more time. That is a good one. Great book to have too.

Shakir Pichler also mentioned on Whammo encyclopedia in the Bamboos https://web.archive.org/web/20040427212519/http://www.whammo.com.au/encyclopedia.asp?articleid=68

And also in the Kryptonics here https://web.archive.org/web/20040807052007/http://www.whammo.com.au/encyclopedia.asp?articleid=997

These were two VERY important original bands from Perth who toured, released and contributed and pioneered WA's rich musical tapestry of original music nationally and internationally. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 12:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History of Australian music https://historyofaussiemusic.blogspot.com/search?q=kryptonics

Also Nick Sheppard - the guitarist from seminal UK Punk band THE CLASH even mentions Shakir Pichler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Sheppard Sexbeatrecords (talk) 13:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sexbeatrecords: - the whammo sources (which, I believe, are the exact same as the Encyclopedia of Australian Rock and Pop by Ian McFarlane) do not provide WP:SIGCOV significant coverage, they just mention Pichler very briefly: Kryptonics ... Shakir Pichler (drums) / Bamboos ... In 1986, Shakir Pichler replaced Tony Chiallella on drums ... 1987 ... Russell Hopkinson (ex-Vicious Circle) had replaced Pichler on drums. Blogspot is not a reliable source. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. An admin Didier Landner very kindly added more references to the page and voted .Keep

There are also hard copy books that mention Shakir Pichler and also a few of his bands.

One is this one https://repressedrecords.com/products/george-matzkov-way-out-west-the-west-australian-pop-rock-blues-music-scene-1960-1979-book-cd which I no longer have for some reason (probably lent it and forgot) .

Also found Shakir's youtube page has a long radio interview with him live on 6UVS-FM (now RTR FM) From Perth 1986! All about the Bamboos and their massive east coast tour which was great to listen to just now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5fNppILFGY

I have reached out to a friend who may be able to contact Shakir to see if they can get him to send any links we don't know about that would add to his credits or newspaper clippings etc if that is possible to even use if he has them. Shakir was regularly interviewed in Australian newspapers and radio stations but can't seem to find archives easily to show this.

Either way, he is an important part of Australian music history and in everyones opinion who knew his bands would absolutely agree. Yes Indie music is niche and I understand that your may not have heard of him or his bands but that only makes his contributions to Oz music more important to retain as it wasn't commercial mainstream homogenised music that everyone knows. SO wiki is a great way to learn about the WA and Australian live music scene in general.

I have been a fan of his bands since the 80's and still have all his records on vinyl to this day.

I can't vote but thats my 2c anyway :) 157.211.92.236 (talk) 14:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Found a few more via trove. There's too many links to Shakir pichler to sift through though. This will take time.

howlin moondoggies https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20071126223011/http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/44131/20071122-0001/www.amo.org.au/artistedc4.html

The Bamboos paying with Johnny Thunders. https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20200527150202/http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/182658/20200526-1156/australianrockreview.com/2010/11/07/lifting-the-lid-on-the-rockbrat-treasure-chest-johnny-thunders-1986-sydney-gig-adverts/index9657.html

Shakir Pichler mentioned here [1]

About Shakir Pichlers legendary Rosemount Rumble https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20180318110116/http://rosemounthotel.com.au/event/rosemount-rumble-46/

Shakir photo from 1985 Kryptonics here https://www.forcedexposure.com/Artists/KRYPTONICS.html Sexbeatrecords (talk) 15:27, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still lacking WP:SIGCOV for the above links. Howlin' MoonDoggies has one (or if you are charitable, two) sentence on Pichler. Bamboos is some sort of an online comment left by Pichler. Rosemount has one sentence on Pichler. Kyptonics has one sentence on Pichler. The photo is just a photo and does not even mention Pichler. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:22, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Found a digitised newspaper clipping of a big scandal that was reported in quite a few newspapers for some weeks regarding Shakir's scandalous departure from the band 'The Bamboos' mid-tour East coast tour!

From memory, this was big news in the music industry at the time and people still talk about it today. Daily News: Friday October 17th 1986 [2] is one such story. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 22:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allmusic ref Shakir Pichler in the story about how the Kryptonics formed etc. [3] 157.211.92.236 (talk) 10:01, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delicious Design does offer some coverage on Pichler, but it is essentially this: he quit his band without telling them, and they cancelled their tour. That's all. It's not very much. Allmusic just mentions him thrice. It is not WP:SIGCOV. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also note that Delicious Design is Shakir Pichler's own web development business. Halfwaywrong (talk) 08:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I've add references (McFarlane and Kent) to support subject's membership of two notable bands. Hence, passes Wikipedia:Notability (music)#6 per "is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles".Didier Landner (talk) 05:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent! 157.211.92.236 (talk) 13:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not delete!

I am a high school teacher in Perth and Shakir was invited to be a special guest at our Montessori school last year to talk about life in bands and also all the films he worked on and appeared in.

To this day, a year later, the kids all say it was the best day they have had at school!

He showed parts of all the films he worked on as the action vehicles coordinator as well as the parts he also appeared in and then showed us all the music videos of the bands he has played in and then gave a drum performance and some lessons for the kids!

The students have regularly used his Wikipedia page for reference in various home-work and projects since. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.118.65.6 (talk) 02:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - @Vanderwaalforces: - I reviewed all the links in the article as of this version. References 1, 2, 3, 5 do not provide WP:SIGCOV. Reference 4 is an offline book but based on Google Books, the book is a Chronological listing of popular recordings ... Provides information on how many times the recording appeared in the charts and the highest position it reached. It is unlikely that it provides SIGCOV either. This link in the article provides one instance of somewhat SIGCOV but only says that Pichler quit his band unannounced in Sydney, and his band cancelled their tour. The Who's who of Australian rock book is an offline resource and I cannot confirm if there is any SIGCOV. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's not forget Shakir Pichler's own project "The Howlin' MoonDoggies" who are known world-wide and released THREE full length albums released internationally, 2 music videos played on numerous commercial free to air stations In Australia ABC, Foxtel Channel V etc, Numerous Triple J (Band of the week) and uni radio station interviews with him as well, and his songs being included in FIVE international compilation albums (I have so far only found links to 3 but there are more).

OR his film career which is also extensive.

For example, he was THE action vehicles coordinator in Australian film 'Jasper Jones' where he single-handedly sourced and even drove in many scenes, all the cars from the period (1960's) the film was set in, which is a huge achievement in itself, let alone all the other feature films he worked on in the same capacity, like he did for the film "1%" for example as well.

I finally received a big thank you message via social media contact - He would like to thank everyone who has been helping source links and tidy up the wiki page. He is actually a Web Designer and said he wishes he could edit his own page (rather than the fumbling job I have done) but really does appreciate what you all have done over the years :)

Shakir Pichler is a notable identity with massive contributions in both the Music and Film industry - Is this really still up for debate? Seems a bit strange. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 23:59, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I was typing the above message I have just been sent a message finally from Shakir via reaching out on his socials.. He also just sent links to some newspaper scans etc which I have now added hopefully in the right place :) Please bear with me if the format isnt perfect and any help would be greatly appreciated so we can make this page good and hopefully put this vote to bed. Much love to the wiki volunteers. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 01:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually his project 'The Howlin Moondoggies' appeared on SIX international compilations and not 5. I actually have them somewhere in my collection I think, so Ill find the rest of the links when I can.. 157.211.92.236 (talk) 07:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to the Who's Who of Australia Rock source - I've found a physical copy for sale, that shows it appears to be basically a list of the bands, members and discography, which I'd argue is not WP:SIGCOV.

I'd also argue that Pichler's contributions to his bands are better served in the articles of those bands. Halfwaywrong (talk) 08:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Looking to the recent links added and they are still not good enough in terms of WP:SIGCOV. One is an undated interview from an unknown publication, apparently of Pichler's former bandmates, who said he quit the band and was beloved by fans before that. Two has a one sentence mention of Pichler, who is said to be part of a band. Three does not even mention Pichler explicitly. Four has a two sentence mention of Pichler and just says that he is new to the band (first time recording with him). Five I have covered before, just says Pichler quit and band ended tour. starship.paint (talk / cont) 08:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Put all this together regardless of if you deem the links 'reliable' (it was a long time ago so it's not easy to get new links obviously so even links that at least show the albums etc regardless of where the links live matter as evidence itself- with everything combined including the film work they are strong evidence of WP:SIGCOV

this is looking like a bit of a witch-hunt to me and starting to wonder why he is being targeted when you need only look at the incredibly long list of achievements. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 09:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The albums and film work are primary sources and not independent of the subject. We would not count them as reliable sources, so there is no WP:SIGCOV there. starship.paint (talk / cont) 11:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How are they primary sources? They are not self-published either. If they were this page would be about me (Christine) and I am definitely no one. I don't really understand you point here.

Also, despite you saying wikipedia's official film entries are not a reliable source's even though they independently reflect the same credits as imdb but all the films which credit him on imdb or links have been removed - they are not primary sources so its a bit of a lose lose when battling trying to show evidence of WP:SIGCOV! When things keep getting deleted or 'discredited'.

Again I ask, please look at this holistically for the bigger picture.

I can download and screen-shot every movie at the closing credits with Shakir Pichler's name on it if I have to. Or take photos of every album he has played in and bands he has fronted like The Howlin Moondoggies for example. I don't know what other hoops I can possibly jump to appease this pedantic return-fire.

Identifying and using primary sources requires careful thought and some extra knowledge on the part of Wikipedia's editors.

In determining the type of source, there are three separate, basic characteristics to identify:

Is this source self-published or not? (If so, then see Wikipedia:Identifying and using self-published sources.)

Is this source independent or third-party, or is it closely affiliated with the subject? (For this question, see Wikipedia:Independent sources.)

Is this source primary or not?

Every possible combination of these three traits has been seen in sources on Wikipedia. Any combination of these three traits can produce a source that is usable for some purpose in a Wikipedia article. Identifying these characteristics will help you determine how you can use these sources.

there have been countless radio interviews with JUST Shakir that I know of but can't find online other than the one I did find on youtube. And countless one on one interviews in paper and street mags over the years but unfortunately (I checked archives toay for Drum Media Sydney and Inpress Melbourne) dont go back far enough and miss by about 5 years. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 12:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And please remove that 'original research' warning as it really seems unfounded to say the least.

this is getting way beyond ridiculous now. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 12:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:PRIMARY: Primary sources are original materials that are close to an event, and are often accounts written by people who are directly involved ... a scientific paper documenting a new experiment conducted by the author is a primary source for the outcome of that experiment. Pichler's albums are no doubt close to him. Pichler's films are no doubt close to him. Credits do not provide SIGCOV. I did not add the original research warning but there is so much unreferenced material in the article. starship.paint (talk / cont) 12:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

re 'seems self-promotional' - Shakir isn't promoting anything that I can find online other than his web design which is not linked here and his humanitarian work which is also not linked here - all of the info here is simply factual and historic. 157.211.92.236 (talk) 06:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Curious how you are aware of Pichler's humanitarian work. 157.211.92.236, curious how all of your 19 edits so far are all regarding Pichler. Curious how all of the 51 edits of Sexbeatrecords so far are all regarding Pichler, even including a 16-year break from Wikipedia broken by this nomination of this article for deletion. Curious how, at File:Shakir Pichler.jpg, Sexbeatrecords uploaded the image as the "copyright holder" of the "self-made" image whose author is "Shakir Pichler". starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What are you even saying? When I met Shakir ONCE, many years ago we were chatting about the 16 Australian band compilation he released on his then record label 'Sexbeat' called "skunk & disorderly" which to this day is one of my favourite albums that had a great review in UK Kerrang magazine that I used to subscribe to when I lived in UK and I asked what his next release will be and his answer was 'never doing that again as it was a huge task' and that he is closing the label down. I then said "I would love to continue it if he is going to throw it away and he surprisingly said "It's yours if you want it!" and gave me permission to have it. Although, ashamedly I have done nothing with it.

I did have some partners who had big plans and we created Shakir's wiki page and were systematically adding all bands on that label at the time but life got in the way.

So I got a notification recently that his wiki page was up for deletion and I was shocked so yes, its probably been 16 years since I made any edits.

When I finally got through to Shakir last week via his socials as we weren't connected at the time so the messages were in 'requests', he was surprised to hear from me and said he hadn't looked at what was on his page in over a decade.

H e thanked me and when I asked if he could help he said he can't edit his own page and he doesn't even have a wiki account but if there's anything I need to just ask and he will try to send whatever when he has time.

The image I uploaded was public from his socials and I don't know what I clicked as far as copyright but its free to use from the horses mouth. Public image.

As for his humanitarian work - its ALL OVER his Instagram! He helps organise anti genocide rallies for Palestine, Lebanon, congo etc and looking at his own web design page deliciousdesign.com.au he also made the not for profit FOPWA.ORG page for free.

SO what I'm curious about is why you seem so determined to remove him. I know some people on the wrong side of history go about things this way intentionally. Not saying you are one of them.

I and many people in WA would be sad to see this page deleted and feel his contributions to both music and film are more than worthy of having a page here.

He again said he wishes he could help me as he is a web designer but doesn't want to touch the page but thankful again to all who are supporting it. That's why my edits are pretty messy, so apologies for that. Hopefully a nice editor will tidy a bit when they have time.

Christine. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 02:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and stubify. Clearly meets criteria 6 of WP:MUSICBIO as the drummer for Kryptonics and The Bamboos; both bands of which are covered in encyclopedias. However, the WP:OR and WP:COI issues need to be addressed. I am going to be WP:BOLD and stubify the article to address those issues.4meter4 (talk) 22:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @4meter4, many thanks for helping to clean up the Shakir Pichler page (sincerely appreciate your time! - however, I feel the removal of all the Bands, and releases plus the removal of all the feature films completely detracts the point of providing the most important information about him.

Originally each film had a link to each films (official) IMDB link which credits him.. I was then told imdb is deemed unreliable (but there are exceptions) - The bands and album releases were linked to multiple external music catalogue sites or record label sites.

Unfortunately I'm not a web designer like Shakir is and he won't touch the wiki page so I really need some help getting those 2 category lists back with links that wiki editors will accept.

Just calling out in case you could possibly help in this respect. I'm sure you are busy but wiping out all of that makes the page pretty much 'nothing'.

Happy to remove all the extraneous text info on him though and just list the achievements as I feel they really need to be there.

Some schools have literally used his page for information on the arts but now there is nothing there to reference.

Thanks in advance for any help on this. :)

Christine <3 Sexbeatrecords (talk) 23:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4Perhaps you could restore the bands and releases plus the film credits in a different section that wont be challenged for 'unreliable sources' (Official films IMDB for example) despite them all being 100% factual? Can that be created? Again, many thanks for what I'm sure is your precious time. :) C. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 05:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to The Bamboos (rock band). Whilst he was a member of two notable bands both were relatively short term and first was outside of the Kryptonics main period of note. Main thing of not here would be dogging his band mid tour. Not worth a stand alone article. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Duffbeerforme "dog act" ? Sounds a bit biased and personal without any of knowledge of the actual situation or reason for such a drastic thing he felt he had to do at that time. Perhaps interview him and find out what really happened that day for him to make such a drastic decision. Do yu know him? I feel you may have anterior motives after that comment.

Sounds like a personal problem you may have with him to me!

Shakir was a FOUNDING MEMEBR of the Kryptonics and in the band when they did their seminal work.. First ever shows, Record deal. 2 Singles and a music video.

He was in the band for 4 years if you read up on it - they were jamming for years before ever playing live.. He started underage with them.

And the other bands like The Howlin Moondoggies which was HIS PROJECT, released THREE studio albums, 2 music videos televised on multiple channels and music shows and appeared on SIX international compilations in USA, UK, JAPAN.. all due to his work and him drumming, writing, producing, promoting and managing his band..

He also played drums in all-star band "The Terraces" with members from Rose Tattoo, One Way System, Horse-UK and The CLASH.

Not to mention all the other bands he has played, toured and recorded with and not to mention the long list of feature films he has worked on as head action vehicles coordinator, stuntman, art department and even appeared in.

Some of which were big Hollywood films ie: Mission Impossible 2( Terrible movie though) and Ghost Rider (slightly less terrible) and some of the best iconic Australian films to date. Jasper Jones for example (Check imdb link)

His page deserves to be here on the merits of what one Western Australian has achieved in the arts alone.

WA is very proud of their arts achievers and he is right up there doing us proud.

Don't be a hater. its unattractive to say the least and doesn't make you look good. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 00:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Sexbeat, or should I call you Shakir, "dog act" was a bad call, that's why I changed my comment. Before your reply I see. No-one is buying your claim that you just met him once and subsequently dedicated your life to him. Please stop bludgeoning with run of the mill claims. Simply show us some in depth coverage or give it a rest. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Duffbeerforme She (as disclosed on her talk page) isn't Shakir but is in contact with him through e-mail as disclosed on his talk page. There is a WP:COI relationship but I think her heart is in the right place. Be kind. I 'm trying to coach her on our policies in regards to no original research, sourcing, notability, and encyclopedic tone. There is a big learning curve when you are new to wikipedia. Best.4meter4 (talk) 15:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that duffbeerforme's remarks are going a bit too far. The bludgeoning and rambling comments are annoying and unhelful, but there is no reason to belittle another user with comments like subsequently dedicated your life to him. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 04:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sky Sport Serie A

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Zero references other than their own website. North8000 (talk) 20:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I can't even verify that this was ever a TV Channel. The 'source' provided is just the Serie A section of the Sky website. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of websites with country access restrictions

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This list has never been properly maintained, is unclear in scope, and contains an entry that does not exist anymore. Independent sourcing may not really exist for specific websites. To the extent that specific countries have known internet restrictions, these topics are better covered in country-specific articles. Alyo (chat·edits) 20:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There are country specific article about internet censorship also available and article about specific software also available and topic of censorship can be added there.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 20:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Ryan C. Clark

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The article fails to meet the WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO criteria. It relies heavily on a single primary source, which is not considered reliable for verifying notability. I did a google search and found no significant independent coverage of the subject in third-party sources per WP:SIGCOV. The subject has not made any notable contributions or achievements that would justify an article. ZyphorianNexus (talk) 19:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Only one source available reference that loaded biography of subject. The whole summary is that the subject is only known for an incident.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 20:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Beidu

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Already a disambiguation page exist as Beidou (disambiguation). kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 19:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: This refers to 北都, meaning "northern capital" in Chinese (and presumably also Japanese and Korean). The equivalent disambiguation pages are zh:北都 and ja:北都. Both contain quite a few more entries than we have here. I will try to expand this and ask that it be kept once I do. Toadspike [Talk] 21:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just realized that the Japanese entries are more appropriate at Hokuto. I've added a link in the See also section. This means my additions are complete. Toadspike [Talk] 22:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I added three Beidus found in other existing pages. Geschichte (talk) 21:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. I've added all the entries from zhwiki, and Geschichte has added some mentions from here on enwiki. This is now a valid, useful DAB page. Toadspike [Talk] 21:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Insurgency weapons and tactics

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Seems to be WP:SYNTH in my view. It lists various weapons and tactics once used by insurgent groups, but lacks a clear definition of what qualifies as an "insurgency weapon" or tactic. The ultimate answer appears to be "anything that's lying around", making the idea overly vague. A large portion of the article is original research. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The topic is inherently WP:OR, as it's hard to see how any weapon or tactic is necessarily linked to insurgent groups. I suppose some of the properly-sourced material could be merged with Improvised weapon or Guerrilla warfare, but I'm not seeing how anything in this article is specific to insurgencies except in the author's mind. WP:TNT at the very least; as it stands, the article is a bunch of disturbingly-well-researched violence porn. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 21:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Theatre III

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Does not pass WP:GNG - sources are all trivial coverage or non-independent. Prod was contested by the article author. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:22, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Nothing but primary sources and namedrops. Fails the GNG, and doesn't come within a country mile of WP:ORG. Fascinating how the deprodding rationale was "see talk," without any discussion actually surfacing on the article's Talk page. Ravenswing 19:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was in the edit comment of the talk page (see history). It said:

There are a number of other small articles on community theaters in the Boston area, e.g. Arlington Friends of the Drama and The Footlight Club.

Those articles are similar in scope and references to the one being considered. Tmshortt (talk) 01:49, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are many articles about the theater in local newspapers (Lowell Sun and (Acton) Assabet Valley Beacon) (via newspaperarchive.com) from the 1970s, but then the articles dry up. There's very little recent coverage as local papers are shutdown/acquired. Tmshortt (talk) 02:07, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Promotional article about WP:MILL community theater group. Refs are mostly to their own website or tangential info about their location. No notable people involved. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, there are no citable (online or otherwise) references for notable people who were involved with the theater, which includes both Alexandra Socha and Chris Evans. Tmshortt (talk) 01:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cold weapon

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Fails WP:DICDEF, possibly WP:NEO. Was recreated after a successful AfD to redirect the page earlier. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, although I'd also be ok with some kind of redirect if consensus goes that way. I'm more familiar with either melee weapon or hand to hand weapon for this kind of thing, and it might lead to confusion with Cold Gun (which is a very common term in the shooting community for a firearm that is not loaded). Intothat darkness 18:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crew-served weapon

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Fails WP:DICDEF. Only one, apparently unreliable source. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I suspect there's only one source because the creator was lazy. This is a very common term in military circles. I don't as yet have an opinion about Keep or Delete. Intothat darkness 18:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Palmetto High School fight

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Fails WP:LASTING (the single burst of coverage was when the mom was arrested), fights happen all the time, what makes this one different? E_F⁵ 17:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:NEVENT fail. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Fail WP:EVENT. Fights between students are a dime-a-dozen. When I was in high school, football games didn't count if there were less than three fights under the bleachers during the game. - Donald Albury 19:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Time to let it to rest. Geschichte (talk) 21:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm sure these now 30 year-old women would be chagrined that this article exists and the tone of the article body violates WP:BLP deeply; I really do feel like I've participated in an AfD involving this same incident in the past and it was deleted based on that consensus, I just wouldn't remember what it was called. Nate • (chatter) 01:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Switchflicker Records

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It is a PR article created by the company itself as implied from creator's user name. Since Ting Tings was only a client/artist who at one point in their life was associated to them, it's not an appropriate re-direct target. Therefore, the appropriate remedy to this run of the mill non-notable company is to delete. Graywalls (talk) 16:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Source 1 is not WP:INDEPENDENT of the subject, Sources 2 + 3 barely mention Switchflicker Records, Source 4 is from a WP:USERGENERATED source, and source 6 never even mentions the name "Switchflicker" and instead supports the fact that the Ting Tings signed with Columbia Records. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 23:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Cited materials are directed for Ting ting, not for the subject directly. even though the subject is mentioned, but not indepth.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 19:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lists of Netflix exclusive international distribution programming

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By their own admission, the pages here do NOT list Netflix programming, merely content that it has a licence for in specific territories. In the same way that we would not list programming created by, say, Disney on a list of programming on an international channel that it has exclusive rights for in that territory, say BBC, we should not be listing it here. WP:NOTDIRECTORY; WP:NOTTVGUIDE. --wooden superman 14:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am also nominating the following related pages:

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WP:SPLITLIST applies and WP:NLIST says: "Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability."; clearly the case here. (and I'm sorry but the scope, range and detail of Netflix's distribution has been the subject of coverage as a set, making the list notable anyway.... Start with World Cinema On Demand: Global Film Cultures in the Era of Online Distribution. (2022) Bloomsbury Publishing, p. 200; and Baker, D., Balanzategui, J., Sandars, D. (2023). Netflix, Dark Fantastic Genres and Intergenerational Viewing: Family Watch Together TV. Taylor & Francis (passim).., -Mushy Yank. 19:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is plainly a WP:NOTDIR violation and much better handled with categories rather than a page the average reader is never going to get near, or if they do, fail to understand what the list describes outside 'things on Netflix' as the introduction is badly explained and obtuse. Nate • (chatter) 19:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd argue that categories are also inappropriate as it is not WP:DEFINING for content that Netflix does not produce itself. --wooden superman 20:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: as per Mushy Yank. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 22:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of films released by Psychopathic Video

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Unreferenced for 10 years, most of the releases are hardly notable except for about four of them that can be mentioned at Psychopathic Records#Psychopathic Video. WP:NOTCATALOG --wooden superman 14:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge back into Psychopathic Records#Psychopathic Video but that article being a B-class rather long article, the merge should be discussed on talk page and if judged unnecessary then Keep per WP:SPLITLIST. Sources can be added and unsourced material removed but that seems to be a cleanup issue.-Mushy Yank. 22:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Straight Point

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No refs on the page for many years. Seems to be used as a point of geographical reference for the Aylesbeare Mudstone Group geological formation, with passing mentions in the scientific literature. But to me, the existence of a headland is not notable and mentions of a named point on a map in the scientific literature isn't enough to meet the notability criteria either. JMWt (talk) 17:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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keep: There are several articles for places along the Jurassic Coast that are similarly short in length, and perhaps similarly deficient in citations. I'm not keen on treating any one article (e.g. this "Straight Point") in isolation from the others; instead I would rather consider a course of action common to all the Jurassic Coast articles (see the J.C. template at the end of the article). I would certainly look favourably on a proposal to stubify those are deficient in the way you identify, and I would volunteer:

to do the work of stubification
try to find a cite or two for those that might need it (dusting off my now rather rusty geology degree).

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Feline Hymnic (talk • contribs) 18:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Hello friend, thanks for engaging. I appreciate your offer to improve the page, if you could supply some sources that show the notability of this feature, that would be very helpful to the discussion. Please see WP:ATA if you are unfamiliar with the AfD process. JMWt (talk) 18:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep: Yes indeed that is very true, there are a number of articles about places along the Jurassic Coast that are very much as short in length, and, indeed, they are similarly deficient in citations. I also thank you for your suggestion and I sincerlely hope that you will keep to your proposal and expand the article. This because I find your offer to improve the page as a much better solution than a deletion. I wish you good fortune with your new project. Greetings --Huligan0 (talk) 21:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Begich (author)

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All of the sources I tried to verifty appear dead links, and this has only just been created. Slatersteven (talk) 16:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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comment It wasn't actually just created. It was created in 2011; "kept" in 2011 AfD; merged to HAARP in 2013; the merge/redirect was undone 26 Nov 2024 (probably why so many links are dead). Schazjmd (talk) 17:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Odd as it had the new article tags. Slatersteven (talk) 17:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And it seems to be his notability seems to stem from 2 books. Slatersteven (talk) 17:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No need to merge since everything relevant about him is already at the HAARP page. Simonm223 (talk) 19:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I looked over the article when my watchlist notified me the old merge/redirect had been undone (26 Nov 2024). I don't see reliable sources that demonstrate notability to meet WP:BIO. Seems like a WP:ONEEVENT situation, and everything relevant to that is already covered at HAARP conspiracy theories. - LuckyLouie (talk) 21:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I reverted the redirection because it took place unilaterally after a "keep" result at AfD, and one person on the talk page objected to it being redirected with no discussion or consensus so it should have been reverted at the time. I'm fine with the redirect to HAARP being reinstated, but figured that this should happen after a discussion rather than on the whims of one editor. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 23:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I ran IAbot on this, with the results "Rescuing 2 sources and tagging 0 as dead." Running IAbot to rescue broken links as part of the AfD process is usually a good idea. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 23:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- whilst I didn't originally have a position here and only restored the article for procedural reasons, having had a search it appears that there are several sources independently covering Begich and particularly his business ventures with his son (I have added some to the article), which is probably sufficient notability to be worthy of an article. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 02:26, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jadrolita

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Fails the general notability criteria. Sources are unreliable content farms such as this. Citations from reliable sources are not independent of the subject. Most are majorly interviews or routine coverages talking about her recent mouth tumour. She is still in her early career. Ibjaja055 (talk) 16:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of current Combate Global fighters

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Promotion barely exists nowadays and is not very relevant HeinzMaster (talk) 16:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural keep A personal judgement call about a promotion's relevance is not a proper reason for deletion. Nate • (chatter) 17:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Tyrian White case

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Unfortunately, this case has been dismissed by the high court and no proceeding was started. We don't create articles just based on news. Fails WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 16:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Imran Khan as this seems to fail WP:EVENT but there is likely related information on the root page. Simonm223 (talk) 19:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Susmita Bhattacharya

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Since the subject does not meet the notability criteria under WP:NACADEMIC, it requires significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. Currently, the subject is supported by primary sources and has only an h-index of 7, which is insufficient to establish notability by academic standards. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 15:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: University presidents are usually notable. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment. Agree with Eastmain that the question is whether being principal of Jhargram Government Medical College and Hospital (founded in 2021 and affiliated with West Bengal University of Health Sciences) is sufficient. If this is essentially a medical school loosely attached to an older university, then perhaps not? The GS profile[4] gives top citations of 83, 69, 58 and then a big drop off, which does not meet my definition of WP:PROF by citations in medicine. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Félix de Bedout

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BLP of a television personality, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for television personalities. No sigcov, no evidence of notability, insufficient sourcing since its creation. Jinnllee90 (talk) 15:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I can only find stories about this person changing networks. What's used in the article isn't enough to show RS, nor are the sources in the ES wiki article, only profile pages on what appear to be broadcast network websites. Oaktree b (talk) 15:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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CU note nominator blocked as a checkuser confirmed sock.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gover Stream

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No refs hatnote since 2022 but it doesn't appear that there have been any sources on the page since creation in, I think, 2006.

I don't see sources that show this small feature meets the notability criteria. It seems that Gover Valley 'might' be notable but it doesn't seem to me that even a rename of this page would help as it includes a lot of material that isn't verifiable. JMWt (talk) 15:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete We had to deal with a bunch of German "bachs" (streams) a few years ago, and this isn't even that good. Those at least could be seen, whereas I'm having considerable difficult finding this one at all, whether on GMaps or on the OS server. There are a couple of GBook hits, but they all deal with it in a single sentence. Mangoe (talk) 16:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete‎ per WP:A7 Fathoms Below (talk) 21:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Imtiaz Ahmed (student)

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Article Fails [WP:GNG]] and WP:BIO. Nxcrypto Message 15:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: A kid in the 8th grade, that does what exactly? Appears to be an activist, which could mean just about anything... Delete for any sort of notability. I might even have speedy deleted this. Oaktree b (talk) 16:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete this article is a hoax. The sources don't say anything about him. It was created by Imtiaz101, a new account. The subject's name is same as the account's name leads me to think that it is probably created by the subject itself. Mehedi Abedin 17:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete. Tagged under A7 since subject isn't notable and there isn't any credible indication of notability. CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear Santa (2005 film)

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In my WP:BEFORE I failed to find anything of substance, in reliable sources, to meet WP:NFILM. All I could find was run-of-the-mill database entries and newspaper TV listings. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 15:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: hardly anything for this version, most sources mention the Jack Black film of the same name. This is about all I could find [5] and it's hardly enough. Oaktree b (talk) 16:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'll take a look - offhand the article is a bit confusing, considering that they talk about it like it's a movie and a TV show. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 17:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Netural comment (for now) This seems to actually be an hour-long TV special rather than a film (note the Clay Aiken appearance likely tied into his Idol run at the time). Nate • (chatter) 17:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like it's a reality show where celebrities give children stuff, from what I can see. So it's not a movie. I'm also uncertain if the "season 2" is actually a sequel or if it's an unrelated show with the same idea. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 19:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like this was heavily tied into the Operation Santa Claus initiative, so we could probably do a selective merge into that article. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 19:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Operation Santa Claus. There wasn't really much fanfare about this show. It was announced along with the CD, but no one really reported on it beyond announcements that it would air. There are no reviews and no info about how it fared in ratings, nor any info about the production process, all of which would be needed for it to pass the notability guidelines for TV shows. I've done some selective merging of the info into the main article for OSC since the children were chosen from the initiative and a related CD was sold at the USPS. As far as the 2006 version goes, I can't find any mention of this beyond air times and a handful of celebrity names. There's no confirmation that it was a sequel or even that it was related to OSC. The summary at IMDb mentions the USPS (but not OSC), but that's not a RS. It's most likely related, but I'm leery about adding it without at least some mention somewhere that would be seen as reliable on Wikipedia. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 19:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kop (album)

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One of many uncited Turkish albums which I mentioned to the albums project this one was tagged uncited over 5 years ago. I searched but it does not seem notable. Turkish article is also uncited. Unfortunately the Turkey project is only semi-active. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vicky Zahed

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Fails our notability criteria – doesn't meet WP:CREATIVE. Ratekreel (talk) 13:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Sources 1 and 7 are RS and are about this individual and some of their handy work, I think it's ok. Oaktree b (talk) 21:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: Reference no. 1 and 7 are fine. Baqi:) (talk) 14:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Weak, but the subject has received moderate coverage which is sufficient to support a stand-alone entry per WP:BARE. Also, the article is WP:POORLY.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 14:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Metco 308

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Delete Only catalog listings and minor mentions in articles about different subjects (e.g. [6]) were found. Not notable. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 21:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fox, Indiana

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I'm not sure what Baker means by "this village was apparently never platted," but in any case the maps and aerials show yet another rail spot/late pre-RFD post office. Baker also says that it was originally called "Fox Station", which leads to the same conclusion: a town never actually happened here. Mangoe (talk) 14:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Clearly just a onetime post office and/or rail waypoint, not a community. Interestingly, the 2019 USGS topo says there is a "Fox Station Airport" nearby: [7], quite a grandiose name for a strip of mowed grass in a farm field, which is what shows up in the satellite view. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 21:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete per G7 by BusterD. (non-admin closure)‎ Shellwood (talk) 16:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Mahmudur R Manna

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Article in its current state seems quite promotional (linking directly to all of their works), and based on the edit history is most likely an autobiography. A WP:BEFORE didn't bring up much - the subject writes for bdnews24.com, but seemingly nothing noteworthy has been written about them. Tessaract2^Hi! 13:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Please feel free to delete. My intention is based on online strengthening of my works presence, which in root a promotional intention. Manna Mahmud (talk) 14:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Les Marmitons

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No evidence of notability, although it's existed for nearly 2 decades, it's promotional in tone, and likely a copyright violation of [8]. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 13:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support, article lacks notability. — Your local Sink Cat (The Sink). 06:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks! Yes I had meant delete. — Your local Sink Cat (The Sink). 13:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, plenty of sourcing that could be used.[9][10][11] etc. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 22:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trail Blazer (album)

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One of many uncited Turkish albums which I mentioned to the albums project last month this one was tagged uncited 15 years ago. I searched but there are others with the same name. Unfortunately the Turkey project is only semi-active but hopefully someone from the metal project will know better than me if it is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 14:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I was not able to find material in reliable music magazines, searching for both their band names. I think I could be able to write up one of their later albums, but not this one. I did get hits in Google Books. Geschichte (talk) 16:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A redirect to Mezarkabul seems appropriate here. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to edit and update all articles of the Mezarkabul band with their references. gokhantig (talk) 20:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which references? Do you have Turkish ones? Geschichte (talk) 21:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turpachita

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There is no such village in Kyrgyzstan. Most likely, they meant a mountain pass Турпачаты. Mitte27 (talk) 11:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Redirect to Osh Region. Article cites no sources. Available sources on the internet do not seem to establish notability and therefore fails WP:GNG TNM101 (chat) 11:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It might be more correct to redirect to the article Pamir-Alay. Mitte27 (talk) 11:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at OpenStreetMap shows a hamlet with the name турпачаты, though it's not very large and I can't otherwise confirm it. GNG also isn't the guideline for villages - we just need to prove they exist, which will be hard in this instance. SportingFlyer T·C 07:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Pamir-Alay – As WP:ATD per Mitte27, with is more accurate. Svartner (talk) 04:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. We can’t verify if this is a human settlement or a mountain pass. Bearian (talk) 03:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rolf-Peter Horstmann

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Despite notable achievements in German academia, the article seems to lack any indication of having WP:PROF criteria, i.e. notable citation etc. Xpander (talk) 10:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: He probably meets WP:AUTHOR, if nothing else. Here and here are published reviews of his Cambridge Elements book on Kant; here is a review of his translation of Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil; here is a review of his recent book with Paul Guyer. I've not searched for reviews of his various German books. Josh Milburn (talk) 12:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, his professorship meets criterion C5. Note that the German system doesn't have the plethora of named chairs found in the US system, but a full professor and Dekan in a good German university is of at least comparable level. Elemimele (talk) 12:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'm puzzled at this editor's behaviour in creating this article and then immediately asking at AfD for it to be deleted. If there is a sincere desire to delete, then I would have actioned a WP:G7 given the trivial nature of the edits of others. But now we're here, I agree with J Milburn that WP:AUTHOR is likely to be met, and with Elemimele that WP:PROF is probably met in the chair at Humboldt University of Berlin; additionally, looking at Google Scholar, top citations appear to be 221, 89, 69, 65, 56, which seems reasonably healthy for someone writing predominantly in German in a low-citation field. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Varun Ahuja

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Fails WP:NM or WP:COMPOSER, I searched about the subject but didn't find much substantial information (WP:BEFORE). The Hindustan Times article stands out as slightly better and provides relevant insights about the subject. Baqi:) (talk) 10:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Fails WP:COMPOSER

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Hazel De Nortúin

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As a city councillor, she doesn’t satisfy the notability standards at WP:POLITICIAN, nor do I see evidence of WP:SIGCOV, either from the references here, or a general internet news search, outside of her candidacy. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 09:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - non notable local politician, fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Spleodrach (talk) 10:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. De Nortúin doesn't meet WP:NPOL as a city councillor. My only possible alternative to deletion would be to draftify until after the election as she apparently stands a decent chance at holding Bríd Smith's seat in Dublin South Central, but I dunno if that quite meets WP:DRAFTREASON point three. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 10:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom or Draftify per Ser! - draftifying is a possible outcome from a deletion discussion and it would seem reasonable to not delete if, as you say, she does stand a reasonable change at being elected. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because she's a nationally prominent local politician and easily the most prominent PBP representative who isn't already a TD. She was at their manifesto launch e.g. and there's been another profile of her published in national media since the article was published. (https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/11/20/i-have-two-kids-who-are-working-in-the-civil-service-and-they-cant-afford-to-buy-a-house-candidate-told-on-doorstep/). Could tolerate draftifying if you're trying to hold the line on local reps. Snoooooooopywaves (talk) 11:12, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"She turned up to a party election event during an election" is not the compelling argument for notability you think it is... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify seems fair enough. She has about evens chances of holding the seat for PBP, and it saves the trouble of a fresh start next week if she does. In response to Snoooooooopywaves, coverage of a candidacy during an election doesn’t satisfy notability under WP:POLITICIAN. She is being promoted by PBP because they want to hold Smith’s seat. If she does so, we can restore the article from its draft form. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 11:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: According to WP:NPOL, elected local officials can be notable if they meet WP:GNG. The RS Noticeboard says the Irish Times and The Ditch are reliable. It's barely notable, but notable nonetheless.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but only if that's actually significant coverage. The article from The Ditch is not significant coverage of De Nortúin, instead just referring to a complaint she made about an actually notable politician in Leo Varadkar. The Irish Times coverage posted here is a routine feature on a candidate going door to door which does nothing to define notability, while the one in the article itself is about her and two other councillors criticising the lack of maternity leave pay - again, not defining notability for her. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 18:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. WP:NPOL is not met. WP:GNG is not met. (None of the sources in the article contribute to notability - being the subject's own LinkedIn profile, an interview, trivial passing mentions and the same type of coverage which we might expect for any local politician/candidate. Of the sources more generally available, returned from a WP:BEFORE search, may include some from reliable sources (like Irish Times or RTÉ) but all of these are also either passing mentions, interviews or the same type of electioneering coverage that is applied to any and (often for "balance" reasons) all candidates in an election.) FWIW, I'd just about be "OK" with draftify as an alternative to deletion. Until after the coming election. But, in all honesty, it wouldn't be my first choice... Guliolopez (talk) 20:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The Phoenix has an entire profile[12] on her that I (or others) could use to expand the article and help meet SIGCOV. As User:DesiMoore points out, elected local officials can be notable if they meet WP:GNG. I created Hazel Chu when she was a councillor because there was SIGCOV in Irish papers on her. So whether De Nortúin becomes a TD or not shouldn't be the decider. Sources, not position, denote GNG. Derek Blighe and Philip Dwyer, for example, have never held elected official.

I'm surprised other Irish users did not check The Phoenix, which carries two profiles of a young person and older person of interest each issue, when seeking sources on De Nortúin. CeltBrowne (talk) 11:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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S. V. S. Rama Rao

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Unsourced since January 2009. The only source I can find for him - at least in english sources - is IMDb, which is not considered RS on its own. Smallangryplanet (talk) 10:54, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep? per WP:CREATIVE (added 2 refs to the page); but I cannot confirm all his credits. Can someone access newspaper/print sources in Telugu? -Mushy Yank. 16:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC) Suggestion: redirect and merge into a paragraph in Telugu_cinema#Cast_and_crew #Art direction as ATD?[reply]
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Arab conquest of Kaikan

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There's no such event/conquest that lasted till three centuries. It's clear a messed up WP:SYNTH article. The sources are poorly cited, some of the non RS'es were being dealt with but even RS'es do not testify and established the WP:GNG & WP:SIGCOV of "Arab conquest of Kaikan (658-9th century)" Garudam ^Talk! 09:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I cannot find any evidence that "Kaikan" is actually a place! Delete. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Historical incident; Also cited in article (see reference 1) and other references too. See through It mentions of war between kaikan & arabs.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 19:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It barely has three lines of passing mention. Unironically, I do not find this event relevant for a definite period of time, say, three centuries. It fails SIGCOV and is full of SYNTH mess; a standalone article is not warranted for this topic. Perhaps it could be merged into a related parent article at best. Garudam ^Talk! 20:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shalini Passi

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Not meet WP:BIO. Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 09:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Brian Ogola

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Procedural nomination per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 12#Brian Ogola. Article was BLARed in 2019 because it was "too outdated" (according to the editor who redirected it). CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maybe keep. I do think there is a credible claim to his passing WP:NACTOR for multiple notable roles. From looking at his IMDB he actually has some lead roles in content available on Netflix (for example https://nairobiwire.com/2020/10/meet-poacher-actor-brian-ogola.html ). The trouble with African media is the press is often ridiculous in its puffery so finding usable sources is often challenging because many of the newspapers get discredited at AFD for being over the top promotional. Based on his work, I say he passes an SNG, but based on sourcing I don't think we will be able to find WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 07:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete May pass SNG, but not GNG or SIGCOV. Link to the East African is broken, ands that could have been significant. African actors usually get less coverage than equally notable international counterparts, so I’m open to changing my mind if someone can provide one independent, reliable source.ANairobian (talk) 06:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MV Ramana Reddy

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Just mere mentions in the press. Article creator blocked as SOCK. Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 09:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Joshua Sales

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this article about a session musician, and not found references to add. I do not think the existing references demonstrate that he meets WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:NMUSICIAN. There is no obvious redirect target. Tacyarg (talk) 15:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lingayat Vani

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This article is a POV fork of Lingayatism, created using WP:SYNTHESIS of poor sources to glorify Vaishya Vani caste while conflating it with a different community (Lingayats). Most sources and even most of the article only concerns Lingayats and not Vanis. - Ratnahastin (talk) 08:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Ratnahastin Thank you for initiating this discussion. I would like to address the points raised in the nomination and demonstrate how the article meets Wikipedia's guidelines on notability, neutrality, and verifiability.

1) Not a POV Fork

The topic "Lingayat Vani" is distinct from "Lingayatism" and warrants its own article. While Lingayat Vani has historical and cultural links to Lingayatism, it represents a specific community with unique socio-economic and cultural characteristics. This is supported by independent and reliable sources cited in the article.

The overlap with Lingayatism is a necessary background to provide context, but the article focuses on the Vani subgroup, not the broader religious identity. Such differentiation is aligned with Wikipedia's standards for splitting articles where subtopics merit detailed discussion.

2) No Synthesis or Original Research

The content adheres strictly to Wikipedia:SYNTHESIS. Each claim in the article is directly supported by sources. There is no combining of unrelated points to create new interpretations. Where sources discuss Lingayatism as part of the Vani community's background, it is presented as such, not conflated or misrepresented.

3) Neutral Point of View

The article's tone and structure aim to neutrally document the historical, cultural, and social aspects of the Lingayat Vani community. If there are any specific instances of perceived bias, they can be flagged for improvement.

4) To all the respected Administrators.

I believe the article on "Lingayat Vani" satisfies Wikipedia's core content policies and deserves to remain as a standalone page. I am happy to address any specific concerns or collaborate on improving the article further. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 14:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This comment is entirely AI generated. Please do not use chatbots, you should convey your views in your own words. - Ratnahastin (talk) 14:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ratnahastin Yes I agree I used chat gpt for this reply, I avoid using chatbots for such conversations. But believe me It has been a great time since sockpuppets have been trying to delete the article. I used chatbot in my reply as it saved some time. As a matter of fact even for the chatbot to provide a valid response It needs facts from my side. I sincerely apologize for using it and will never use it again on such discussions. I didn't knew we can't use it here. But I still abide by the views I shared in my prior comment. Thank You ! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 14:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because you think the article is trying to "Glorify" a community, It doesn't mean it. It is a neutral documentation of cultural aspects of the community. I agree to edit anything if necessary, please initiate it in talk page before, rather than abruptly deleting it. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 14:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ratnahastin Please see: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Lingayat Vani

I sincerely agree to further cooperate if anything directly or indirectly tries to glorify or exaggerate something. Please create a discussion for such topics. Thank You ! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 15:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bradv Hi again. Please tell how can I remove AFD tag from the article . I made some improvements in the articles that make it better and will keep adding later on. Currently I am a part time editor on wikipedia, I don't know how and when to remove it. @Ratnahastin is also not replying. Thanks for your help ! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 17:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It will be removed automatically when this discussion concludes, at least one week from today. – bradv 17:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see any need for this article given the main article covers it all. CharlesWain (talk) 12:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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hi @CharlesWain @Liz the main article "lingayatism" is about the religious sect. this article is about a prominent community holds a history of its own. This article is also prone to various sockpuppets trying to push their POV. I also need a discussion on this, any sort of debate is welcome. Thank You ! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 14:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ponyo @Liz @Bradv Hi! There have been multiple cases of sockpuppetry to vandalize this article earlier too. Please see:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1172 . I am a part-time editor on Wikipedia and always ready to make improvements and at the same time always resist such attacks on wiki pages which are nothing but POV pushing. Thank You ! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 16:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Universidade Franciscana

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Ths doesn't seem to meet WP:ORG or WP:GNG, or have a good WP:ATD. Boleyn (talk) 08:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Santa Maria, Rio Grande do Sul#Education – The article in Portuguese seems developed enough. If someone wants to improve it, a redirect makes it easier to revert. Svartner (talk) 02:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maidan Daily

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Fails WP:GNG. I failed to find direct and in-depth coverage about this newspaper. Gheus (talk) 07:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Can't establish notability. One liner article. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Easily fails WP:GNG. From my Google search, I couldn't find any sources with significant or in-depth coverage to prove notability. The article is barely two sentences long, and expanding it seems near impossible without reliable sources. ZyphorianNexus (talk) 04:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daily Sarhad

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Non-notable newspaper. Primary references and mentions like this are not enough to pass WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 07:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Clearly fails GNG Wikibear47 (talk) 15:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lay Observer for Northern Ireland

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Can't really find any in-depth sources on this, though there is the potential to redirect (after adding a mention) either to Department of Finance (Northern Ireland) or maybe Ombudsman services by country, so thought I'd put it up for discussion instead of PROD or CSD. Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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APFIC Objective and Key Achievements

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Entire article is written like a promotion. Only source mentioning APFIC is its own page and a document at fao.org, its parent organization. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. It has an entry in this Dictionary, this Dictionary, and an entry beginning on page 627 in International Organizations and the Law of the Sea of which only the first page is viewable. The Encyclopedia of Ocean Law and Policy in Asia-Pacific takes the time to document when various countries became members of this organization. It's organized by nation, so the coverage is across multiple pages. I think this highlighting within an overview of each country indicates some importance. There is also some coverage in [13], [14], Best.4meter4 (talk) 07:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The J-Gos

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I do not think that this hyperlocal band meets NCREATIVE or GNG. I see one review in a hyperlocal newpaper, and little else of substance. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:11, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, we have many critical reviews in local press (many fromThe Argonaut in San Francisco and Venice Vanguard and Los Angeles Village View in Los Angeles) which arguably meet WP:SIGCOV and criteria 1 of WP:NBAND. On the other hand, the coverage is all to events which could be seen as too local (ie small venues, etc), and we should maybe not consider it significant on that basis. However, there's also the fact that the band randomly did make it on Papua New Guinea's national music chart which would mean it passes criteria 2 of WP:NBAND. In the end this throws it over to the keep side for me.4meter4 (talk) 07:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4meter4, following up belatedly. I tried to verify the claim of charting in Papua New Guinea, and did not succeed. For an otherwise somewhat-implausible-sounding claim like that, it would be good if an established non-SPA editor had succeeded in verifying (although of course sources are not required to be online). Perhaps you found it, or have other thoughts on the matter? Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest asking for comment by someone with access to newspapers.com to check it out, because that paper’s archives are accessible through that site. Unfortunately, newspapers.com is no longer available through the Wikipedia Library. Given that the other sources have checked out added by the same user, I am inclined to AGF, and believe it is likely true and accurately represents the source.4meter4 (talk) 23:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: If we could find confirmation of the charted song, that would help, I could go either way, weakly notable, but not enough for me to !vote yet. Oaktree b (talk) 16:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sandeep Johri

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References do not demonstrate significant coverage by multiple sources. Brandon (talk) 07:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Deletionism is a cancer that must be opposed at all costs. Speedy Keep 99.122.52.226 (talk) 21:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdul Hannan Masud

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Sources do not show in-depth coverage needed for WP:GNG. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 02:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment This needs a review by Bengali-speaking editors. Several sources do not appear to mention the subject, but are used to support statements about him. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The article is in development, and the person is worth notable. Need some time to add citations. Ahammed Saad (talk) 16:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: as per @Ahammed Saad Bruno 🌹 (talk) 17:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've read the entire article. In the second paragraph of the beginning, a statement by Abdul Hannan Masud (the subject of the article) from a Facebook video has been slightly modified and cited with a Facebook link. Again, what is written about the person in the third paragraph is not supported by the referenced news link. The news link discusses his speech. In the Early Life and Education section, several links are cited, which are inconsistent. In the Activism section, although some references align, a lot of personal opinions have been used. C⚛smLearner ^💬🔬 18:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Typical of cite bombs. I will withdraw my nomination if the creator can present three in-depth coverage from reliable sources.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 19:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Sohan61 it would be very helpful if you could translate the title of each source that isn't in English and set the trans-title attribute of the citation template accordingly. Please also set the website= attribute with the English name of each source website, so we can more easily see what these citations are. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Apart from name mention or some quote, I am not seeing any WP:SIGCOV, there is no in-depth coverage. -- আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 00:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shalabam

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Fails WP:NFILM. No reliable reviews from Rediff.com and Sify.com [15]. The only 2 reliable sources are passing mentions. DareshMohan (talk) 06:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Malayalam films of 2008, a standard solution for articles about released films when cast is notable, content verifiable and the director and writer have no page. Preserves history and can be reverted if sources are found. Thanks (NB- the film is listed there).-Mushy Yank. 10:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There is nothing in Google search result to show that this passes WP:NFILM. The two sources in the article gave just single mentions each and with nothing in search result, there is nothing to sustain it. Mekomo (talk) 10:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Malayalam films of 2008, as quoted by Mushy Yank...Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 17:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Sudheesh#2000s. Lots of evidence that the film exists. The other page List of Malayalam films of 2008 is poor with no sources and that is why redirect to actor's page is more better (imo). RangersRus (talk) 14:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added some refernce links. I don't know whether the notability pass. The Film exists. Had a theater run. Streaming in multiple online platforms now. That is all. --Ranjithsiji (talk) 16:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Annette Jones (architect)

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An orphan article. An unremarkable career that does not meet WP:ARCHITECT. Source 1 is merely a registration database, sources 3 and 5 are primary. LibStar (talk) 05:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Not seeing a notification of the creator, MurielMary, who might be able to explain why they believed notability requirements were met. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Passes criteria 4c of WP:CREATIVE and WP:SIGCOV per the source by Cox and Women in New Zealand Architecture: A Literature Review in Society of Architectural Historians, Australia and New Zealand. This latter journal highlights that Jones was specifically featured in prominent exhibitions in New Zealand women architects and was featured prominently in the November-December 1993 issue of Architecture New Zealand magazine.4meter4 (talk) 05:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets criteria 1 of the architect notability criteria: the person is regarded as an important figure, as evidenced by inclusion in Cox's work. MurielMary (talk) 08:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Whilst Elizabeth Cox's source goes to GNG the source on it's own isn't enough to establish notability as the rest of the sources are non-independent or non-RS. There doesn't even seem to be mention of anything she's designed, which suggests she isn't notable too. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To add: if there is sigcov of her work that'd go towards coverage of her and might sway my vote depending on how much and how in depth it is. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Daily Aaj

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Non-notable newspaper, lacks direct and in-depth coverage in independent secondary sources. Gheus (talk) 07:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV Wikibear47 (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No indepth coverage for subject on cited URL's.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 19:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alan White (DJ)

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Advertorialized WP:BLP of a radio DJ and a spinoff article about his purported "television show" that may or may not ever have actually existed, with neither article properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing inclusion criteria for media personalities or their shows.
As always, broadcasters are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show evidence of WP:GNG-worthy third party coverage and analysis about them to establish that they've been externally validated as significant by somebody other than their own public relations agent -- but the BLP is "referenced" to one deadlinked unreliable source, one discogs.com directory entry about somebody else who isn't Alan White and one glancing namecheck of Alan White's existence in a newspaper obituary of somebody else who also isn't Alan White, absolutely none of which constitutes support for the notability of Alan White.
And meanwhile, the "television show" article is actually serving primarily as a coatrack for a largely reduplicated summary of the BLP, and not actually saying even one word at all about a "television show" until the very end, when it finally reveals that the "television show" that's posing as the article's nominal subject is "currently in pre-production" -- except it's said that since the day the article was created in 2011, and the article has never been updated since then with any evidence that the show ever actually started airing. And it's also based entirely on unreliable sources that aren't support for notability, with absolutely no GNG-worthy coverage about either Alan White or the "show" present there either.
Nothing stated in either article is "inherently" notable without GNG-worthy sourcing for it. Bearcat (talk) 05:08, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I'm getting a headache on this one trying to locate sources. Too many people named "Alan White", and several active in music.4meter4 (talk) 05:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The extreme lack of sourcing isn't helping... I tried looking for book reviews, no luck... For someone who seems to be so well-known, I'd expect some coverage in the Atlanta newspapers, which it doesn't seem to have either. Delete unless we can get some sort of sourcing in place that proves this is a notable individual. Oaktree b (talk) 16:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just checking, Oaktree b, is that your opinion for both articles nominated here in this AFD? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, I've only reviewed the one about the person, not the TV show, I can look at it in a bit. Oaktree b (talk) 01:00, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Music & the Spoken Word broadcasts

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Unreferenced list of unclear utility. This is an episode list of a radio and television music performance show in which the Mormon Tabernacle Choir (always the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, never anybody else) performs religious music along with an inspirational/religious sermon -- but this list just goes "broadcast number, date, recording location, title of sermon, production code, the end", with many entries not even containing all of those details, and right across the board even the recording location is always one or the other of two facilities in Salt Lake City, and never anywhere else.
There's no information at all that would actually be useful, such as the titles of any specific songs that were performed in the episode or a detailed summary of the sermon's theme — so there's effectively nothing of any serious substance said about any of the episodes to differentiate one from another. All of which renders it into a list of meaningless and trivial information, and it's also completely unreferenced for the purposes of actually verifying even what little information is here.
There's just no value to this without a lot more information about each episode and actual referencing for it. Bearcat (talk) 04:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Special Assistance Resource Teacher

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Renominating as last AfD was no consensus. No significant coverage in gnews, gbooks and Australian database Trove. Most of the sources are primary like minister's announcements and government sources. LibStar (talk) 22:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. In addition to the offline sources in the article and the additional materials provided in the first AFD, there is some significant coverage in this journal article: [16]. I'm also seeing a bunch of Australian education journals and magazines covering the topic in 1980s publications in google books, but they are only available in snippet view. From what I have been able to find, this seems like it was a major education initiative in the 1980s in Australia with a thousand teaching positions created under this title and an associated training program in order to work in that position. Seems like a notable topic.4meter4 (talk) 03:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge this overlaps too substantially with Special Assistance Program (Australian education) to have two separate articles; both talk about the program and teacher roles/trainings in the program. Walsh90210 (talk) 20:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. The issue is the article does not present a worldwide view. – The Grid (talk) 13:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How does it meet notability guidelines? LibStar (talk) 22:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Article would benefit from additional references. Rockycape (t • c •g)

High Commission of Malaysia, London

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Article based on a primary source and directory listing. No third party coverage to meet WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 22:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG. Diplomatic premises are rarely individually notable. AusLondonder (talk) 12:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of diplomatic missions in London#Embassies and High Commissions in London where it is mentioned, as has been done for every other non-notable embassy and high commission in London brought to AfD or PROD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Malaysia–United Kingdom relations. @Thryduulf the embassy is also on the List of diplomatic missions of Malaysia. I think we could actually save all the content on the relations page as a merge target which would be better than redirecting to one of several possible list pages. 4meter4 (talk) 03:29, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Regalado Highway

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Unlikely to pass WP:GEOROAD. Listed sources from DPWH and Quezon City government are primary sources. Searches of news on Google for both "Regalado Highway" and "Regalado Avenue" queries only give news about routine coverage on partial road closures, some fires that occurred in nondescript and unfamous businesses and houses along the highway, rerouting schemes, Quezon City speed limit rules that applies to all highways within the city and not just this one, and others. Other websites are for finding directions and for real estate hunters. None of the searched sites on Google support the notability of this typical national highway. Either redirect to List of roads in Metro Manila#Quezon City or Philippine highway network. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 07:09, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of roads in Metro Manila#Quezon City. WP:RUNOFTHEMILL urban roadway. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List_of_roads_in_Metro_Manila#Quezon_City per above. This highway doesn't even have any significant features that would make it notable. AstrooKai (Talk) 20:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of roads in Metro Manila#Quezon City per above and WP:ATD --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:03, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daily Asas

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Fails WP:GNG, lacks direct and in-depth coverage. Gheus (talk) 07:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Lacks WP:SIGCOV Wikibear47 (talk) 15:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apna Channel

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The official website is defunct. Fails WP:SIGCOV as no article addresses the topic directly and in detail. Gheus (talk) 06:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails SIGCOV and GNG Wikibear47 (talk) 15:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Capital TV (Pakistan)

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Fails WP:SIGCOV as no article addresses the topic directly and in detail. Gheus (talk) 06:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ranged weapon

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Original research. No evidence this is anything besides an arbitrary classification, a distinction that may have emerged from tabletop gaming given that I mostly get hits from D&D manuals when searching the term. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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comment It's a gaming term, not a real world weapon distinction. Maybe there's some point to it strictly in those terms, nut in modern warfare the division is between hand-to-hand combat and everything else, and the long lists are essentially padding. Mangoe (talk) 14:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hum Sab Ajeeb Se Hain

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Lacks independent bylined coverage or critical reviews in reliable secondary sources. Fails WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 06:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. non notable sitcom. Before search did not bring any useful reviews, only episodes from YouTube and Dailymotion which are not what is needed to prove notability. Mekomo (talk) 06:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Atomas

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Has little reliable source coverage. Only ones I could find were these: [17], [18], [19], [20]. The sources listed do not give significant coverage; therefore, the article's subject fails the GNG. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 06:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aaj Entertainment

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Fails WP:GNG. The article has a notability tag since 2015, still no coverage found. WP:ATD: redirect to Business Recorder or Aaj News. Gheus (talk) 06:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Aaj News since both are in broadcasting. The Aaj Entertainment fails WP:GNG to remain as a standalone article. Mekomo (talk) 07:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Aaj News: Redirect as per WP:ATD. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:22, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Logan (musician)

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Does not meet GNG/V. Appears to be generally self-promo. Has several self-published/social media links, but no reliable sources. Was PRODded ~10 years ago, but tag was improperly removed. Google/Books/News/Archive searches turned up no potential RS. Safrolic (talk) 05:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Nothing from secondary sources, all from social media handles. The article only serves to promote the subject. It fails all guidelines. Mekomo (talk) 07:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He's not even the first ghit, and I can't find anything in GNews. Only bluelinks in the article are name drops. Jclemens (talk) 07:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seleke Botsime

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This BLP has no decent sources cited, has been tagged for multiple issues for almost ten years, and my reasonable BEFORE finds nothing directly detailing. Happy to revisit this if sources are found. BusterD (talk) 05:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Only social media posts pop up in before search result. Mekomo (talk) 07:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

King (2025)

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Seems to be only referenced with press releases. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 04:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or draftify. I expanded the article and in the process, realized that this is still stuck in pre-production. Filming was postponed until January 2025 for whatever reason. Looking at the coverage, it's pretty light all things considered - a lot of it is fairly light and the same content but worded somewhat differently. What I have in the article is kind of what's out there - admittedly the generic title of the film (paired with the lead actor being the Hindi voice of Mufasa in Lion King) makes it kind of difficult to search for sourcing, but I can't really see where it passes NFILM at this point in time. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Churchill Years (audio drama series)

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Fails WP:GNG. Its almost all plot with the only real world info being about the release dates Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to List of Doctor Who audio plays by Big Finish as the natural target (I wonder why this is not already present there). This appears in secondary sources like here and here, so I believe this should have a place on Wikipedia, but I don't think there's enough for a stand-alone article. I wonder why this was brought to AfD rather than being a merge discussion in the first place. Daranios (talk) 12:06, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pond Life (Doctor Who)

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Fails WP:NTVEP all sources are primary and my before turned up nothing usable Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Doctor Who series 7. That article already has a summary of the plot, and any relevant production and reception information should be added over there; I've expanded a little here, but there's not much. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 04:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and merge any relevant content to the series 7 page. As I said elsewhere, this borderline fails WP:NTV. It's a bit better with the expanded content, but doesn't necessarily appear to be significant enough that it necessitates its own article. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect and merge per TheDoctorWho. Better covered as part of a wider subject given the lack of coverage on the subject. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 00:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Belize Christian Academy

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. The fact that diplomats have children does not make it relevant. Jinnllee90 (talk) 03:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I found no WP:SIGCOV in any sources that I found about the school. There was one about the Vice Principal of the academy, one about an armed robbery near the school, and a couple about routine school competitions. None of them have significant coverage. Only source in article is subject's own website. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 20:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Federal parliamentary republic

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Seems to be a wholly synthetic topic isolating the intersection of Federalism and Parliamentary system for no reason other than it's a phrase often found in infoboxes. There seems to be no discussion of the subject in its own right, and there do not appear to be sources from my checks either. There are likely more than a handful of other articles of this kind. Likely some should be merged somewhere, but the utility of anything seems marginal. Remsense ‥ 论 23:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Parliamentary republic. There is coverage: [21] [22] and Cheryl Saunders, "Federal Parliamentary Republics" (2021), which is apparently offline. James500 (talk) 08:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Parliamentary republic (with redirect). This is a ~~rare~~ term with less than 150 Google Search results. Yet, these search results include the CIA, which says, without discussion, that Austria, Ethiopia, Germany, India, Iraq, Nepal, Pakistan, Somalia are federal parliamentary republics. The European Union also acknowledges that Germany, a member state, is a federal parliamentary republic. I would suggest that any information that can be reliably sourced should be sent to Parliamentary republic. Only when reliably sourced content becomes too much then we can apply WP:SPINOUT for a separate Federal parliamentary republic article. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Google scholar shows a large number of journal articles using this term to define the government structures of various countries. This is not a made up synthesis but a real and discussed government structure. Likewise, Federal parliamentary republic is used repeatedly in books. If a WP:BEFORE was done, it was not done competently.4meter4 (talk) 18:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @4meter4: - the term is used in journal articles, yes, but it seems that many of these instances are just quick mentions without too much elaboration of the federal parliamentary republic part. It seems that the true focus of the journal articles are some other topic regarding the country (e.g. Medical Student Wellbeing in Nepal) rather than the federal parliamentary republic part, which is simply used to introduce the country. See below. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Examples from Google Scholar ("X is a federal parliamentary republic" ... and soon the topic changes) starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Higher Education Systems and Institutions Ethiopia - Politically, Ethiopia operates a federal parliamentary republic, with nine regional states and with the government’s official name as the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia (FDRE). It is the second most populous nation in Africa...
European Pain Management - Germany is governed as a federal parliamentary republic, divided into 16 states. It is a well-developed and stable economy. Life expectancy is currently 77 years for men and 82 years...
Renal Transplantation in Iraq - Iraq is a federal parliamentary republic with nearly 40 million inhabitants; the country consists of 18 governorates with 3 of those constituting the Kurdistan region in the Northern part of the country. Culturally, Iraq has a very rich heritage and celebrates the achievements of its past...
How did European countries set health priorities in response to the COVID-19 threat - Germany / High / Federal parliamentary republic / 83 / 31.9***...
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy in Germany - It consists of 16 constituent states, and its political system is a federal parliamentary republic. It is a highly industrialized country, which, like many other developed Western countries...
Analysis of recalling the members of Mongolian Parliament by the voters - 9 Gambia Unitary presidential republic + 10 German Federal parliamentary republic + 11 cuba Unitary Leninist one-party socialist...
Water Resource Status of Pakistan - Pakistan is a federal parliamentary republic consisting of four provinces (Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa) and four federal territories. Most of the people believe on Islam (Islam 95-98%, 2-5% Christian, Hinduism and other religions)...
India vs Pakistan An Evaluation of Long-Run Economic Growth - The two countries share the federal parliamentary republic government system, along with a mixed economy. India and Pakistan’s natural resources are also comparable...
Pakistan: a journey of poverty-induced shame - A federal parliamentary republic of over 180 million people, Pakistan has the sixth largest population and 27th largest gross domestic product...
Growing Solutions Through Decades of Droughts - Somalia’s government is a Federal Parliamentary Republic but has recently faced political insatiably and violence (Somalia Country Profile, 2023). Its estimated population is over 17.1 million people...
Medical Student Wellbeing in Nepal - The country has a federal parliamentary republic and is made up of seven provinces (Pradesh) with the nation’s capital located in Kathmandu. The total population is 29675000...

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Moroccan General Labour Union

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Fails WP:GNG/WP:NPROFIT. Cannot find any sourcing that confirms the existence of this trade union other than Facebook. Appears to be a single person as acting as a union. Referred to in a number of locations as "Union générale marocaine du travail" (for example, this Danish trade union report on Morocco, but which cites French Wikipedia as source). I also see some reports referencing the French name, but this has been confused with the long establised UGTM (Union générale des travailleurs du Maroc). I've not been able to do an extensive search in Arabic, but French and English draw blanks. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 00:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Does the organization possibly have a foreign language name(s) that it uses? There are many languages spoken in Morroco with English not being the predominant language. My guess is that locating sources would be under a foreign language title...4meter4 (talk) 04:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All Moroccan unions use Arabic and French. The name in Arabic is: الاتحاد العام المغربي للشغل Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 21:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I’ve searched in French and Arabic for the union and its founder. Nothing about the founder, plenty about other unions with similar titles, but nothing about this one. Mccapra (talk) 17:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

btw the UGMT referred to in the Danish report is not the same body. That was founded in 1960 and is notable. Mccapra (talk) 17:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, see page 31 of the Ulandssekretariatet report, citing French Wiki, last entry on the table, it's referring to the UGMT, not the UGTM. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 19:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ticket to Heaven (Thai TV series)

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Non-notable TV series. No independent sources and too soon. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 02:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify. Pretty much too soon, as it was only just announced, so there won't be any third-party coverage beyond that repeating the announcement. Likely to generate plenty once it's released though. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of transiting exoplanets

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Was a useful list in the past, but it became outdated and is hardly updated. The number of transiting exoplanets has grown massively, so it is nearly impossible to maintain this list. Just to fill up the missing entries it would take a huge effort of many people and months, and given that only 200 people see this list every month this effort would not be rewarded. The Exoplanet Archive already do the job to catalog these planets, making this list useless. 21 Andromedae (talk) 18:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Normally the incompleteness of a list isn't a reason to get rid of it. We have some absurdly long lists in astronomy, and they will never be fully complete. That being said, sites like the Exoplanet Archive are going to be better at processing and maintaining this information. Why do we need to reproduce them? Praemonitus (talk) 07:09, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, listing only notable entries (that is, with an article). I see no policy-driven deletion reason here. The maintainence argument, which is not a reason to delete, does not hold: if we have articles about these planets, we can include them on a list; the argument would maybe make sense if we needed to include every object discovered by transit, but we don't. The existence of an external website listing such planets has no bearing at all on being the list appropriate for Wikipedia.--cyclopia ^speak! 09:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: (copying my comment from the RV deletion discussion) from a practical standpoint, Wikipedia shouldn't try to replicate massive lists of objects that are better kept elsewhere (e.g. the Exoplanet archive). If we have a page, someone has to maintain it. Better to focus on things where wikipedia is a value add, instead of just trying to be a catalog. - Parejkoj (talk) 19:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it shouldn't try to replicate the Exoplanet archive. But "the same information is elsewhere" is not a cogent argument: all information on Wikipedia is elsewhere almost by definition, since we collect information based on sources. We have different selection criteria to make the list relevant for Wikipedia as, for example, listing only notable entries. We are indeed not a directory, but that is why we have the selection criteria above. cyclopia ^speak! 09:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since this list is potentially unbounded, we may want to consider segmenting the list by discovery date. This will make it more manageable, since each date range can become a completed list. A precedent for this is the list of minor planets, since the numbering is approximately chronological by discovery. Praemonitus (talk) 16:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I agree with User:Praemonitus. We could then edit this by segmenting the exoplanets' discovery dates, and it would not be misleading even if it were to be slightly not up to date, and thus buying us time to edit(of course, we would still have to update this list). As for the argument that the same information is found elsewhere, the fact is that you cannot just get to Wikipedia articles on exoplanets simply by clicking links on the Exoplanet Archive. Pygos (talk) 03:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per multiple points of WP:NOT.

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Keep. Passes WP:NLIST. There are multiple books entirely about transiting exoplanets in google books. They are discussed as a group/set in the literature in an in-depth way. I'm not seeing a policy based rationale to delete this article which essentially boils down to the list is incomplete and difficult to maintain. Those are volunteer workforce problems and not problems inherent to the notability of the list itself. Additionally, the list seems to be limited to only those transiting exoplanets to which we have articles which is fine.4meter4 (talk) 16:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lost in Time (Doctor Who)

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A box set that released various Doctor Who serials that had episodes missing. The article is predominantly uncited and contains almost entirely primary citations, and a brief BEFORE turns up very little outside of watch guides for missing episodes. I can see a redirect to Doctor Who missing episodes as an AtD, but overall this is a largely non-notable DVD box set release not separately notable from the concept of missing episodes. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 00:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete per nom; not even significant enough for a redirect. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 12:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)~~[reply]
It's not a term that barely anyone would search, but User:Redrose64 has shown it's unique (even though no reliable source mentions that, the uniqueness is evident at a glance). Redirect to Doctor Who missing episodes DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Doctor Who missing episodes, redirects being cheap, and all. While there is obviously no content for a merge here, the "missing episodes" article does very briefly touch on the content of the set. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 10:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Redirects are cheap, but "Lost in Time" is so insignificant, searching for it with Doctor Who appended gives results mostly for the game of the same name(and there are lot of missing episode boxsets, so this isn't special. No need for redirecting. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 18:07, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DoctorWhoFan91: This one is special, see my keep !vote below. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This DVD set was unique, as it gathers together in one package all of the odd episodes which couldn't justifiably be released as a single-story DVD. The criterion at the time that it was compiled was that if a story had more than half of its episodes in the BBC archives, it would get a standalone release; if it had 50% or fewer, the episodes went into Lost in Time, together with any associated clips. Also included was all surviving material for those stories where no complete episodes remained. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for mentioning this, as this info is not at either page. Though, is there a reliable source for this? I couldn't find one in a google search. Also, still would not meet WP:GNG, so it should a redirect at best. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 19:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some time between 2004 and 2009, I found that information at one or more of the following - I only recorded access dates for a few of them:
BBC Shop

DVD.CO.UK

Doctor Who on DVD (accessed 2 April 2008)

DVD Times

Find DVD

Doctor Who Restoration Team

Time Rotor Fault Locator (accessed 28 July 2008)

Time Rotor Hidden Danger (accessed 31 July 2008)

The TARDIS Library
All are now dead except the last one. IIRC, the Doctor Who Restoration Team link gave the most comprehensive information, hopefully it's been archived somewhere. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Checked all of them on the Wayback Machine- a couple are dead, but the ones with archived versions do not mention this info (though looking through the list does make it clear that its true). Doctor Who missing episodes actually does mention it, but its unreferenced. Also, its the only significant bit about it, with all necessary info already at DW missing episodes- a redirect at best. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Redrose64 Sure, the release was unique, but being a unique release doesn't automatically indicate a subject is notable standalone. All of your links have been to fan-sites, fan projects, and shopping sites. None of these are reliable, secondary coverage which shows this subject is notable. Regardless of its release status, it needs coverage to justify being a standalone article, and none of that has been shown yet. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found a reliable source for the orphaned episode mention- [23], Lost in Time, a triple DVD set containing ‘orphaned’ episodes from the series. Redrose64 - It's still not enough for a 'keep'. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've got a bit of trouble parsing the meaning, but I think Who's 50 p. 54 backs up the summary of the approach for content selection of these DVDs by Redrose64. Daranios (talk) 11:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: Liz I think the consensus is "Redirect"- I changed my !vote to redirect (prior to the relisting), the nom is fine with a redirect, and Redrose64's !vote does not show it meets WP:GNG, only that it's unique. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question Can anyone with more knowledge say if the chapter "Lost in Time" in Alan Kistler's Doctor Who: A History, starting p. 81, refers to this DVD set or not? Daranios (talk) 11:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately not; it's just a two-page subsection of a different chapter. It addresses the missing episodes generally, but not this DVD set. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 23:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Doctor Who missing episodes for now: I've seen mentions in a number of secondary sources like The Doctor Who Error Finder, Who's 50, p. 54, Die Dechiffrierung von Helden, p. 155, which would not support a stand-alone article, but would lend themselves to some expansion of the brief mention at the target. Daranios (talk) 11:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:SIGCOV. There is a paragraph on the DVD set in: [24]. There is a lot of coverage sprinkled throughout this academic book: [25] See pages 34, 45, 51, 65, 69, 70, 80, 83, and 98 for coverage of Lost in Time. See pages 13, 15, 42, 45, 57, 64, 68, 69, 71, 72, 82, and 83 for coverage of The Missing Years which was a documentary unique to this DVD set. Pages 81-82 of this book cover this DVD set. There is also coverage in this journal article: [26] 4meter4 (talk) 17:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Through Time is decent, but is written by Andrew Cartmel, a former script editor for the show, so I'm not sure how separate that is from coverage of the program. The Doctor Who Error Finder is primarily trivial mentions; it only refers to the CD as a source for their coverage of missing episodes, and does not actually dictate discussion to the CD that could be considered significant coverage. Doctor Who: A History only briefly mentions the CD; the section "Lost in Time" is used as the name of the section covering missing episodes, and does not focus on the CD bar brief mention of its existence. I can't access the journal; could you get a quote of what mention of Lost in Time it has?

Regardless of the above, none of this really dictates the problem of this being a separately notable subject of Doctor Who missing episodes. Per Wikipedia:NOPAGE, "Sometimes, several related topics, each of them similarly notable, can be collected into a single page, where the relationships between them can be better appreciated than if they were each a separate page." Lost in Time is inherently a missing episodes collection, and all coverage of it is in relation to missing episodes and how to view them. This is inherently a topic that makes more sense covered with the context of the missing episodes and why being able to watch them is important, especially since a lot of the article currently used is inherently about the wider missing episodes topic already covered at the main missing episodes article. What coverage that exists can be merged without issue per Daranios. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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X-parameters

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The result was Withdrawn by nominator as improved, and due to removal of COI issues. BD2412 T 16:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WHDT

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Speedy keep The 2009 version was unambiguously advertising the station under its debut ownership; this version of the article about a generic Scripps station has removed the tone completely and though there needs some work, the template could have long been removed under looser standards in the past. Nate • (chatter) 01:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't see how there can be a "speedy keep" case for content for which a COI tag is still justified after 15 years. There is no indication that this issue is ever going to be fixed. BD2412 T 02:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Speedy keep per @MrSchimpf:. @BD2412: You might want to talk to my friend @Sammi Brie:. She might have suggestions on how to improve the article.
  Mvcg66b3r (talk) 02:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  "How to improve the article" misses the point. The article has been tagged a having this specific problem for 2/3 of the life of Wikipedia, and there is no sign that anyone will ever fix it. If it could be fixed, it already would have been. BD2412 T 02:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I disagree with this reasoning, by which we could conclude that there should be no new articles on things which have existed since the advent of Wikipedia or earlier. Deletion is not cleanup, and if the subject is notable, which it seems to be, then it should remain. Keep. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 03:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have tried to bring this article more in line with where it should be based on the sourcing available. WHDT is an odd bird as a digital-only station from the 2000s that got a lot of novelty coverage but turned into a diginet coatrack. Station founder Günter Marksteiner was probably the COI editor in 2009, too (User:Marksteiner). I appreciate the effort to sweep the COI out, but I feel BD2412 should have looked at the article now compared to then and evaluated whether the COI content still impaired the article's reason for existing above and beyond guidelines like notability. This article was already in better shape and on better foundations than many of the other articles recently sent to AfD for the same purpose, whose conditions are truly bordering on unsalvageable. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep, article contain suitable sources and doesn't read like an advertisement to me. Esolo5002 (talk) 05:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: What are you saying?? It looks like a usual American television article. I mean, Sammi Brie makes a good point on the fact that the article which is in AfD is in better shape of condition that articles which are on AfD for the same reason this one is. mer764KC / Cospaw⛲️ (He/Him | 💬Talk! • 📦Contributions) 11:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep per @MrSchimpf and Mvcg66b3r: regardless of past COI implications, a full-power television stations like WHDT easily meets notability guidelines and doesn't merit a deletion. Nathan Obral • he/him • t • c • 15:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Robotics Design Inc.

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KEEP (for the time being)- COI hasn't been discussed on the talk page, as the COI box suggests should happen. Greglocock (talk) 03:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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PLAY: The Games Festival

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Delete: Whole article stands on a single article which seems to have a COI. Also this article has been tagged as COI for years.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 19:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OCEAN Design Research Association

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Miessence

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Delete: I couldn't find any significant coverage which addresses the product line directly and in depth in mutiple reliable sources. TarnishedPath^talk 07:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Eng Holdings

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Bettina Valdorf

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There is no evidence of WP:SIGCOV and after doing a search I could find any additional of coverage in reliable sources. I did find some passing mentions, but nothing in-depth or evidence to prove notability. Grahaml35 (talk) 01:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Uncharted (EP)

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A contested redirection. The restoring editor claimed that "plenty of coverage exists", but I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing mentions that the EP was released and coverage of the singles released from it, but no in-depth coverage in news articles and more importantly, no reviews from noteworthy sources. While I acknowledge that the release is recent, it also did not chart on any US Billboard charts this week and what it did achieve in the UK chart-wise is fairly insubstantial. Ss112 01:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bolun Shen

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Seems entirely promotional and resume-like Amigao (talk) 01:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Besides being an artist in residence [27], I don't see sourcing we can use. The Ted talk where the photo is from comes up, but that's all. The artist in residence link is primary anyway, so we can't use it. Oaktree b (talk) 01:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep There are at least three sources:

https://theinitium.com/zh-hans/article/20150831-mainland-unmarried-mother is an article about his personal life, but contains key biographical details
https://zqb.cyol.com/html/2015-10/21/nw.D110000zgqnb_20151021_1-12.htm is a profile of him from China Youth Daily
https://cn.nytimes.com/culture/20150526/tc26box/ a NYT China profile along with an interview. I understand that interview articles can be controversial but this is from a reputable paper, and the profile information at top is quite substantive and would support much of the article content

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Irish Road Haulage Association

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Non-notable lobbying/representative organisation. WP:NORG and WP:SIGCOV are not met. This article was created in 2005 (by a single-purpose contributor) with short and clearly promotional text. It was expanded in 2006 (again by a single-purpose contributor) with more quasi-promotional content taken verbatim from the "about" page of the org's own website. While I've removed much of this promotional/copyvio content, I cannot find sufficient independent/reliable/verifiable sources to replace it. Or to expand this sub-stub beyond what we have. Almost all of the coverage I can find is of lobbying statements BY the association. Which includes reports like this or this or this. Being coverage of statements BY the association and not ABOUT the association. And not meeting a WP:SIRS check. In terms of coverage ABOUT the association, all I can find is stuff like this in industry outlets. Or this in local papers. None of which amounts to in-depth/significant/independent coverage. I cannot, for example, find any sources (primary or otherwise) to establish how many members the association has, or (non-primary) sources to support the text about its branches, etc. If there are insufficient independent sources to establish even basic facts (or allow for expansion beyond short text we've had for nearly 20 years) how is WP:ORGDEPTH is met? Guliolopez (talk) 15:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment/Leaning towards Keep - I would be wary/reticent to delete this article rather than expand it. Verona Murphy was President of IRHA for a significant amount of time, and holding that position helped launch her political career. When Murphy became a TD, that expanded the media's coverage of the IRHA and the role became considered a bit more notable, similar to how a trade union might become highlighted if someone associated with them gained political office.

You've raised the concern that

Almost all of the coverage I can find is of lobbying statements BY the association

however I don't know that this is anything other than what we would expect. Secondary, reliable sources such as national newspapers would only ever cover an organisation such as this when it is making statements of that nature. The same would go for a trade union or farmer's representative body. I would lean towards those reports, by very reliable sources such as the Irish Times and RTÉ News, as examples of SIGCOV. We wouldn't expect national news sources to do a simple puff piece profile of any organisation where they simply inform us of their purpose and membership number. I think reliable sources covering small trade unions, for example, would not anyways dwell on their membership numbers, but nonetheless those unions would hold some significant.

Another concern raised is that the article was likely promotional in origin, and has not been edited regularly. While both of these are unfortunate, the article starting as promotion but then being fixed is not anymore automatically disqualifying than if Coca Cola's article had first been created by someone doing promotional style writing. While's is bad practice, ultimately Coca Cola would be notable and kept as an article regards of how the article originally started. As far as the lack of regular editing goes; one can reasonably argue and point out that this is typical of less prominent Irish articles. With Ireland's small population, and small body of regular Wiki editors, it is not always the case that lack of editing reflects lack of notability.

I just want to note at this point I'm playing Devil Advocate here rather than having any significant personal interest in the article. I would be interested in seeing the perspectives of other editors on this matter. CeltBrowne (talk) 09:47, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. With thanks for your input (and likely coming as no surprise) I can't personally agree. That Verona Murphy was previously president of the organisation, to my mind, falls under WP:NOTINHERITED (that the organisation had a notable president doesn't make the organisation notable). That newspapers only really cover statements by the organisation (rather than the organisation itself) is exactly the type of concern covered in WP:SIRS and WP:ORGDEPTH (that the article cannot be expanded, because there are no independent/reliable sources to do so, is a core tenet of the guideline). Also, and with apologies if it wasn't clear in my nomination, that the original article was promotional (or that it was created by a possibly COI/SPA contributor) wasn't offered as part of my deletion rationale. Just as background. (I have personally "rescued" more than a few promotional (but otherwise notable) org articles as part of WP:BEFORE and AfD efforts. I do not see how that can be done here however. As there is nothing to rely upon to "rescue" this permastub. If you're aware of reliable/independent sources that can help expand it, then please do add them.) Guliolopez (talk) 13:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - well, a weak delete. There's lots of stuff out there on this industry group in a WP:BEFORE search. I didn't see anything which was a crystal clear WP:NORG pass, and it's likely our strictest guideline, so I can't vote for a keep. However, if someone wants to improve this - currently it's a stub with only one source that isn't the org's website - and can find NCORP sources, I have no problem if this is HEYed or re-written. SportingFlyer T·C 06:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. In doing a WP:BEFORE search there are a good number of books with coverage of this organization.4meter4 (talk) 18:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Can you confirm what books cover or mention the association. I ask because, in my own WP:BEFORE, I could find no books about (or even partially about) the org. The only book results I could find were in The Law of Companies (Courtney, 2017), Contract Law for Students (Forde, 2021) and Commercial Law (Forde, 2021). Each of which are legal text books which afford a few lines to the same legal case. McMahon v Irish Road Haulage Association. Which involved a precedential ruling that "where terms are implied into an organisation's constitution, they are also implied into a statutory contract". But these mentions do not add-up to SIGCOV for the organisation itself. Or allow for the article to be materially expanded. Certainly I couldn't materially expand the article based on these mentions. The only other results, from my own book search, were in directory-style works (like Ireland, a Directory; 2003). Are there any book sources which discuss the org in any depth? (Its history, foundation, operation, etc?) I certainly couldn't find any.... Guliolopez (talk) 10:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Doug Drysdale

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Mildly WP:PROMO bio of a non-notable businessman. Despite being a WP:REFBOMB, the sources do not meet WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. They are limited to:

Routine news in WP:TRADES publications ([28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33])
Press releases ([34])
WP:PRIMARYSOURCE Q&A interviews/speaker bios ([35], [36], [37], [38])
A WP:FORBES "contributor" post (i.e., not reliable) and a "citizen contributor" (i.e. unedited blogger) post on a local news site.
And finally, a promotional profile on a website whose stated purpose is promoting the success of executives and their diverse team of business partners and thus not independent.

I didn't find anything else qualifying in the WP:BEFORE search. I also checked on the statement that he won an EY Entrepreneur of the Year Award, which might meet WP:ANYBIO#1, but it turns out he won a New Jersey region EY award (source) Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bank charge

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A dictionary definition with only one source, discussing a particular controversy apparently already covered at Overdraft fee. The general topic of all charges made by banks its better at Bank or Overdraft fee; a general discussion of all fees possibly charged by banks would be a discussing of the economic model of banking, which would be better at Bank. Mrfoogles (talk) 00:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Bank and/or Fee. Although, I'm somewhat astonished that this article doesn't exist, but from looking, it seems like it was drastically reduced in article size due to OR[39]. The related topic of Bank fee redirects to a small section on Fee, but could equally fit over at Bank. TiggerJay (talk) 00:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say Fee now that you suggest it. This mostly works as a sort of summary of the articles on individual fees -- it works as a few paragraphs in the Fee article, assuming citations can be found. Mrfoogles (talk) 03:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and expand, possibly rename Bank fees. These fees are regulated and sometimes controversial. See for example the Roosevelt Institute article The Business of Bank Fees, How to Avoid Bank Fees (American Bankers Association), Bank Fees: Federal Banking Regulators Could Better Ensure That Consumers Have Required Disclosure Documents Prior to Opening Checking or Savings Accounts (Government Accountability Office), Bank Fees in Australia (Reserve Bank of Australia). Clarityfiend (talk) 12:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]