User talk:Someone else/talk1

Hello there Someone else, welcome to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you need any questions answered about the project then check out Wikipedia:Help or add a question to the Village pump. BTW, thanks for starting the Duke of Cornwall article (a list of all persons with that title would be neat -- you know where such a list can be found?). Cheers! --maveric149

Oddly, and perhaps sadly, yes, and said list should be available even as I type for your delectation<G>.

Is this the right place to reply? I'm a little iffy on that!

Someone else

yup. One's User Talk page is like an inbox / guestbook / ongoing conversation. Welcome to the Wikipedia. :-) -- Tarquin

Hello Someone else

I moved your Pedro I of Brazil to [[Dom Pedro I] considering the principle of "Use common names of persons and things". Convention: Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things.
The term "Dom Pedro I" is already listed in many places, even if it didnt exist yet.
I am a newbie, so I am sorry if what I did is lame.

Hi I saw what you writed to me on my User talk page. I am sorry, i'll move them back, then. Sorry. User:Yves Marques Teixeira

I understand. I'm updating things from "Dom Pedro I" (and II) to "Pedro I of Brazil", then.
I am really trying to help, but the credits of History of Brazil aren't mine. I have just made a few updates in the names of presidents and other little things. Even so, I am looking forward to contribute with "real" things to History of Brazil and everything else possible.
Again, I apologize for the confusion. Thanks for helping adding those terms, which I will update if more informations, soon.

I think you were confusing Muhammad ibn Ismail ad-Darazi with someone else :-) --Ed Poor

yes, thanks, I noticed<G>. I was hasty in removing the assertion that Muhammad was worshipped - an assertion which would be made only to be provocative. Then I checked my ibn's and found you'd fixed it the right way<G>. Someone else 21:03 Oct 7, 2002 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that nonsense I wrote at radio. I must have sat here for ten minutes trying to come up with something that made sense. Tokerboy 03:12 Nov 11, 2002 (UTC)

Do you know the proper relation between teh immune cells monocytes, histiocytes, dendritic cells and macrophages? I surfed the net and found conflicting information (surprise). For instance, do dendritic cells count as histiocytes? Thanks, AxelBoldt 02:55 Nov 18, 2002 (UTC)

Hmmm... I'll give it a shot, one of the problems is that the terms SEEM more specific than they really are, and they are used very imprecisely. I'm not at ALL surprised there's conflicting info. These are the most common meanings...

monocytes: same cell as a macrophage, though in a different place (i.e. in tissue).
histiocytes: a sort of oldish name for a macrophage or tissue monocyte, aka fixed macrophage
dendritic cells: a cell line further specialized from monocytes/macrophages (expressing different surface receptors). They have been called Langerhans cells when they are in the skin or submucosa. To complicate things, follicular dendritic cells (found in lymphoid organs) are probably a distinct cell line from dendritic cells. Dendritic cells present antigen to "T-cells", follicular dendritic cells present antigen to "B-cells".
macrophages: aka mononuclear phagocytes, or in older texts the reticuloendothelial system (RES). as these cells develop, they go from monoblast -> promonocytes -> monocytes -> macrophages. Monocytes are in the blood stream: they become macrophages when they arrive in the tissue. Some macrophages/histiocytes have been given yet more specialized names, like Kupfer cells

I'd say (and most others too, I think) dendritic cells count as histiocytes, since they are phagocytic cells found in tissue.

Hope this helps, I'm glad you're tackling the immune system. It's easy to lose the overview in all the details... makes one's eyes glaze over after a bit! -- Someone else 04:04 Nov 18, 2002 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, that clarifies things. Could you check if dendritic cell is allright? I still have two questions about dendritic cells:

do they crawl around in tissues, or do they sit still and wait for a virus/bacteria to find them?
do they directly develop from monocytes, or from macrophages?

Cheers, AxelBoldt 19:00 Nov 18, 2002 (UTC)

"Dendritic cell" looks good to me, though there are 2 places where I wondered a bit:

The article says "Dendritic cells constantly sample the surroundings for viruses and bacteria": to me, this makes dendritic cells sound 'smarter' than they are. They respond to foreign, or non-self, proteins, they don't know if it's viral or bacterial or anything other than non-self. But this may be more obscure than the way you have it.
I don't know that I'd call helper T-cells the HIV virus's "true host": HIV infects a lot of cells, though CD-4 cells are a special target and a major means of increasing the level of infection.

As for your specific questions:

I don't know how motile they are in tissue. I'd BET they move around a bit, but I don't KNOW that this is the case.
the short answer is they develop from monocytes - they seem to be CD14+ monocytes. The long answer is that this is an area of active research and the exact understanding of how dendritic cells develop is likely to change as further research is done. But I think the general idea that once a cell is a macrophage it's too late for it to become a dendritic cell is sound.

(I'll put a copy of this on the article's talk page) -- Someone else 22:59 Nov 18, 2002 (UTC)

Thank you, Someone else... :) Yves 03:41 Nov 25, 2002 (UTC)

Hi, Isis. I'm consumed with curiousity. Why on earth would Elsmere outlaw plants over 8" tall? (Welcome back, too<G>) -- Someone else 03:38 Dec 1, 2002 (UTC)

It's too long a story for me to tell you now, because I'm working against a deadline the 11th, but the short answer is I pissed off the town's officials, so they prosecuted me under the standard "weed" ordinance, which is not supposed to apply to "ornamental plants" cultivated in a yard, only to overgrown vacant lots. The upshot was I ended up in jail and am still suing the town in several state and federal courts. If you're interested, I'll scan in and e-mail you the newspaper clippings when I get around to it, but it may not be for a week or two. There are 3 or 4 newspaper articles, I think, and I've been meaning to scan them in and convert them to pdf anyhow, so just let me know if you want copies when I do. -- isis 04:13 Dec 1, 2002 (UTC)

It sounds very interesting, and I'd love to see the details when you don't have more pressing work. I'm thinking said officials have bit off a bit more than they can chew comfortably! -- Someone else

Thanks for help with spelling, sorry no date for the autopsy, this was probably done by someone not worthy an article in the english wikipedia. I think I am withdrawing back to the Swedish wikipedia, leaving the articles I read about Swedish persons in peace. Like Birger Jarl whos wife was before her marriage with Birger married with her own father?, jolly good, and this place dont need genealogy, I can see that. Thanks for moral support someone else. Dan Koehl 00:54 Dec 10, 2002 (UTC)

Like you, I think the idea of a Wiki-based genealogy is intriguing. But so many people are willing to post erroneous information that I think most of the time you'd be correcting errors, and then people would put them back in... success depends on the dedication of the people participating to accuracy, and the internet is testimony to how inaccurate people can be<G>. As you realize, I like genealogy very much, and at first resented when people would delete information saying "Wikipedia is not genealogy" or "Wikipedia is not a dictionary", etc. But the hostility is toward genealogy as a field, I hope you don't take it personally, if only because you keep the Swedish stuff "honest", and it's good to see you contribute here. My medieval Swedish genealogy is weak<G>! -- Someone else 01:07 Dec 10, 2002 (UTC)

Hi! I noticed you wrestling with Weehawken earlier and thought I might mention that there are two "towns the Rambot missed" in the Anthony Wayne article. I don't really have the time or inclination to write articles on them myself (well, besides that there's the compelling temptation to be able to say in the future that "I let Someone else do it." *chuckle*)
Hephaestos 02:09 Dec 23, 2002 (UTC)

I do tend to wikify dates as I come across them, though some people don't feel the need to have all dates wikified. I don't really care -- if you want to go ahead and wikify them, go ahead, if I see them, I'll probably change them. :-) -- Zoe

Well, at the very least then, I'll lower my "wikificiation threshold'! <G> Someone else

Iris, isis, whatever -- what's in a name? Happy New Year to you, too, and getting the newspaper articles about my weed war with Elsmere into the computer is nearing the top of my "to do" list, in case you're still interested. -- isis 08:44 Jan 1, 2003 (UTC)

well yes, I am! And I have never read a clearer exposition of the E.F.Hutton Debacle, great work! ---Someone else 08:46 Jan 1, 2003 (UTC)

The newspaper clippings about my weed war with Elsmere are at Media:esmrnews.htm. BTW, the town residents got so pissed off about their throwing me in jail that they voted in a new mayor, and the town manager and code-enforcement officer quoted in the articles were fired. Meanwhile, I'm still suing the town for damaging my fence, etc., but now it's mostly in federal court instead of state court. -- isis 01:10 Jan 3, 2003 (UTC)

Many thanks for the flower link. The shame of "unrestrained" shrubbery! If you ever succeed in collecting damages from Elsmere, it'd be fun if you let them work it off gardening for you!<G> -- Someone else 03:25 Jan 3, 2003 (UTC)

Yes, when my life flashes before me in my last moments, I'm sure all other regrets will be overshadowed by the eternal shame of having had unmanicured shrubbery in Elsmere -- unless I do something even more outrageous in the meantime, that is. Thanks for the compliment about the Hutton mess (which I assume was for the article E. F. Hutton, not for Diamond Dust); as it happens, one of my deep-seated prejudices is feeling that anyone who can't explain something to my satisfaction doesn't really understand it, so I love hearing I've explained something well. On that (Hutton) topic, I had a lot of trouble tracking down Ed Hutton's birth date, and while I was looking, I found out how much info is out there about Marjorie Merriweather Post and her father C. W. Post, but I don't have time to do justice to them (altho I've already picked out photos of them to put in their articles) -- is there any possibility you could get around to doing them? I, for one, would be very grateful. -- isis 18:06 Jan 3, 2003 (UTC)

I do have enough info to make stubs at least on CW Post & daughter. (I too have noticed that E.F. Hutton's birthdate seems not to appear ANYWHERE!). At least there'll be a spot for the photos, though. -- Someone else 18:54 Jan 3, 2003 (UTC)

Good for you, and thanks. I finally gave up on EFH's birthdate and phoned the reference desk at the public library in Wilmington, and they gave me the info I put in E. F. Hutton, with three different dates from usually reliable sources. I suspect that in his early years when he was having trouble getting/keeping jobs, he probably lied about his age at times, just like Zsa Zsa. -- isis 19:09 Jan 3, 2003 (UTC)

Isis, I'm thinking that the date (1914) in the E. F. Hutton article for the founding of the Postum Company must be off, since C. W. Post died in 1914? -- Someone else 21:04 Jan 3, 2003 (UTC)

Right, that's the founding of E. F. Hutton & Co., which Dina Merrill's father founded before his first wife died in 1918 and he married Marjorie in 1920. EFH took over running the Post companies, but he didn't start them. Dina Merrill was on the board of E. F. Hutton Group's directors until it was sold in 1987. -- isis 21:57 Jan 3, 2003 (UTC)

Ah! <slaps side of head>: my "she" was still stuck on Marjorie Post :) -- Someone else

It happens. Well, we have a good start on the Posts, father and daughter, and I hope in her article someone will get around to mentioning the houses and boats EFH built for her, but I won't be around much for a couple of weeks -- I hadn't heard from my editor and so thought my deadline would be toward the end of the month, but today he dropped my work on me late (for a deadline the 13th), so I have to do that instead of this until then. Keep up the good work. -- isis 01:36 Jan 4, 2003 (UTC)

Ah, well, work - even work with a deadline - is good too I guess<G>. Apparently the boats were quite spectacular, and if I get something useful I'll add it. Ta for now. -- Someone else 01:40 Jan 4, 2003 (UTC)

I haven't the foggiest where Fountains of Wayne got their name. I've never even heard of them, but I'm trying to move bands and albums to their correct title. Sorry I can't be of more help. Tokerboy

Please don't mark reverting vandalism as minor unless it is minor. Deleting the link to "of the" is minor; reverting a page whose entire text was replaced with an insult is not minor. -phma

I didn't say to not revert vandalism. Please do; the more eyeballs the better. -phma

Hi, a question came up in Talk:Menstrual cycle, could you take a look? AxelBoldt 02:20 Jan 8, 2003 (UTC)

Always a pleasure :) (what peculiar questions come up!!) -- Someone else 02:57 Jan 8, 2003 (UTC)

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