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Through Art – to Peace and Understanding

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The significance of the award has not been demonstrated separately from Slavyansky Bazar. There are no independent authoritative references.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 09:59, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chandrashekar Bandiyappa

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Procedural nomination. Contested Jimfbleak's WP:G11 deletion and reverted to a non-promotional revision. Potentially meets WP:DIRECTOR through his filmography. I would !vote weak keep, but I have no real opinion as I have not investigated this topic in any great detail. Anarchyte (talk) 08:36, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shenzhen Institute of Advanced Electronic Materials

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Does not pass WP:NCORP. Mccapra (talk) 07:54, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Los Juglares del Dexas

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Only receives tangential coverage and reads like WP:PROMO, does not meet the criteria of either WP:NSINGER or GNG. WP:SIGCOV requires high quality references with proper signatures. Pitille02 (talk) 06:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of wars involving North Korea

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I absolutely think that a page about wars involving Korea should exist. However, I don't believe a separate page is necessary. All wars involving pre-1945 Korea as well as North and South Korea are already included on List of wars involving Korea. I believe that is sufficient. This also has precedent e.g. East and West Germany don't have separate pages for their wars, and neither do North and South Vietnam or North and South Yemen.

I also find it a bit odd to include wars involving historical states on the territory of current-day North Korea here, as North Korea isn't a direct successor those states - both North and South Korea succeed the Korean Empire and Korea as a territory under Japanese occupation. When excluding those pre-modern wars, the list shrinks down quite a lot, making this page an unnecessary fork. Cortador (talk) 14:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding to this: depending on the outcome of this AfD, I'll nominate List of wars involving South Korea as well. However, this the arguments for and against that will pretty much be the same as the ones here, I didn't want to split the debate, and just nominated this page for now. Cortador (talk) 14:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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North Korea is still a country, however. I propose that we kept this article strictly North Korea (and the South Korea one, strictly South Korea). For the Korea one, we can skip the duplicates and instead link to these separate articles. If Korea is ever reunified, I suppose we could consider a merge, but that's for another day :) Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 02:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep (but remove general korea stuff pre-1948 and add a This article is about post-1948 wars fought by North Korea. For wars fought by pre-1948 Korea, see List of wars involving Korea at the top). East/west Germany were not involved in many (any?) conflicts outside of Germany as themselves so a list would be silly but North/South Korea division has persisted to this day and NK has been involved in several significant conflicts as the list shows (also I believe Russia-Ukraine - that should probably be added but I'll leave it to someone more experienced with military articles as I don't think they've technically confirmed it). Molecular Pilot 06:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feli Ferraro

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Was previously soft-deleted after an AfD in May, and it appears all the same issues discussed there still apply. Both the nominator and sole voter in that AfD called for deletion, and I'd be surprised if anyone would've countered it had there been more participation. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 10:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Hello! I started this page a while back and have continued working on this page. I did not chime in when the page was previously put up for deletion as I wholeheartedly agreed with the reasoning for deletion: the only mention of the subject not from a publishing body she was signed to/managed by was in passing in one article (that has since been removed as it was from a pseudo-blog owned by the label who released the song it discussed), and while she has continued to craft hits of all sizes (she is a songwriter), there were no awards at the time to further prove notability. However, much has changed since the deletion, as Q3 2023-2024 has been a banner season for her career:

(1) A Billboard magazine article ([1]) discussing an elite writing camp her publishing company put together (of 11 members) that has since appeared on virtually every K-pop album that has broken through in the United States market (nicknamed "the Hit Factory"). Not only does she appear in the cover photo and additional photos, but the article mentions her past and present placements as well as a few mentions of personal life.

(2) A songwriting award (win) from BMI - arguably the largest songwriting/publishing governance organization, as the song she co-wrote was ranked in the top 20 of pop songs in the past year based on radio airplay, club play, live performances, and TV commercial placements.

(3) A songwriting award (nomination) for "Wild Ones" - a large country-pop single (2x Platinum) this year that is already being discussed in several Grammy award songwriting and performance categories (to be announced next month in November).

(4) She has since co-written/produced virtually an entire major label album (female rapper Coi Leray's COI), receiving her first Billboard Top 10 single as a writer, as well as several songs with David Guetta that became hits in the European / Australian markets. Trainsskyscrapers (talk 15:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kafu Banton

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the topic of the article seems not to comply with WP:SINGER, not WP:BIO, WP:RS to comply with WP:GNG Pitille02 (talk) 09:13, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Tatsuki Noda

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Unfortunately fails of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 17 minutes in Japan's third league. The only source in ja:wiki to possibly rise above the usual primary and routine sources, [2], is also a transfer announcement containing three long quotes. Geschichte (talk) 05:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:27, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Only English things I can find are player databases with minimal info on them and very minimal criteria for inclusion. Searches for Japanese: 野田樹code: jpn promoted to code: ja return basically the same thing (but also some social media profiles). Only things of interest are [3] which is just a football club saying that she's returning to her original club after a loan - it's primary so doesn't count her WP:BIO. As mentioned by Geschichte there's also [4] but I don't think it counts as "substantial" it's just a WP:PRIMARY quote and "this player, among others, has been announced for the team" with some limited biographical data. Molecular Pilot 06:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mehazkim

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Based on the sourcing in this article, the organisation does not meet WP:NCORP. The Hebrew article isn’t any help in terms of additional sources that would show the topic is notable. There may be better sources in Hebrew that I can’t find, but if not I think this should be deleted, Mccapra (talk) 03:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It's a recognized association in Israel (link here & here), It's also known for it's political activities (some English sources: 1, 2, 3). I don't think the article should be deleted, but I'll respect the community decision. אקסינו (talk) 07:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep As it covers an important progressive movement in Israel that has made a significant impact on social and political issues. The group has been involved in campaigns for environmental protection, human rights, and social justice, which have received media attention. There are reliable sources that show the group's importance, including news articles and reports about its activities. --RodrigoIPacce (talk) 12:05, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Just being officially registered does not make the organisation notable. Where is the in depth coverage of it in reliable independent sources? Mccapra (talk) 06:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ava Kris Tyson

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A previous AfD last year decided that this article should be merged into MrBeast Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Tyson (2nd nomination), and was recreated this year by a user with only 54 edits total [5] While the misconduct allegations that have come out since that discussion have signficiantly enhanced the coverage of this individual, I still think that it should be deleted/redirected for a number of reasons. 1. This individual has basically only been covered in the context of coming out as transgender and misconduct allegations against them, which is entirely within the context of their relationship with MrBeast (WP:NOTINHERITED), and given that their relationship with MrBeast has ended it seems unlikely that they will get any followup coverage in the future. Both aspects are already adequately covered in the main MrBeast article. While this isn't technically a BLP1E, it's not exactly far off. 2. This article since its recreation has been a massive target for serious BLP-violating vandalism which continually comes back despite having been semi-protected numerous times over the last few months and seems unlikely to abate in the near future. Wikipedia has a duty of care towards BLP subjects and I do not think this page currently serves a useful purpose. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For clarity I am fine with the article being merged as suggested by others below. Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge This is a difficult one to judge. It is very close to BLP1E. I don't know if any (official) charges were made against the subject? The reason I ask is that if there are criminal charges then this may drag on and result in further information being added. Obviously, WP:CRYSTAL applies as to what might happen in the future. For now, I think this is as close as you can get to BLP1E and the article should be merged to MrBeast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knitsey (talk • contribs)

As far as I am aware, there are no criminal charges. Hemiauchenia (talk) 14:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Sorry for forgetting to sign, I sometimes forget when desktop editing)

I've had a look around for anything else about the subject and can't find anything other than the recent accusations against her. It should be noted, that not all American sources are available in the UK. Knitsey (talk) 14:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge? Probably? I was expecting this to be a keep but adding "-beast -mrbeast" to the Google searches returns only non-RS stuff. Some of it is people involved with Tyson having their say, which is fair enough, but most of it is cynical drama content and other worthless slop. However, I do have a warning: Merging this will not stop the disruption. It will only move it to the merged article. We may even get an increase in disruption as the content would be in a higher profile article. That said, if it should be merged then we can't let that stop us. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This articles content is basically already entirely covered at MrBeast#LGBT Issues (in the personal views section, where their gender transition is discussed) and MrBeast#Ava Kris Tyson (in the controversies section which covers the misconduct allegations), so I don't see how redirecting this article will realistically increase disruption if the content is already there. Hemiauchenia (talk) 15:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ava uses she/her. 82.3.200.164 (talk) 00:49, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Any content in the page is merged into the MrBeast page already, and in the scope of BLP, I don't think it's great, although the semi protection has worked, so not sure about the BLP section, but given it's not adding much value given most content is already in the MrBeast page, I think it could be deleted. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 19:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shahram Pourassad

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BLP lacking any proper sourcing, cut and pasted from draft. I wanted to draftify it but the draft still exists. Does not belong in mainspace. Mccapra (talk) 05:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Beauxbatons

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This page has similar coverage and notability as other locations in the Harry Potter series, notably the Durmstrang academy as both locations have the same role in the series as schools in the triwizard tournament in the 4th harry potter book, which does not have its own article.

The references in the current article are currently two top 10 trivia lists from screenrant, an article written by JK Rowling herself about the school and other articles that talk about Beauxbatons along with other locations in the series with similar depth and focus.

Based on this with the WP:GNG guidelines I don't believe Beauxbatons has significant independent coverage to warrant its own article, and it should be merged with Places in Harry Potter with other locations in the series that have similar coverage. Mousymouse (talk) 04:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge makes sense to me, the best sources in the article aren’t actually about Beauxbatons exclusively, but about analysis of larger themes in the text, and I think the value of those citations could be preserved on the Places in Harry Potter page, or a section of another article dealing with analysis of themes around national identity and ethnicity in HP. penultimate_supper 🚀 (talk) 11:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect per Penultimate supper. Based on WP:GNG, this doesn't have significant coverage to warrant an article. But there is a valid WP:ATD and merge target. Shooterwalker (talk) 00:03, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It is specifically not relevant with regard to notability, if the article topic is the main topic of the source. What is relevant is if the secondary sources can provide enough material for a full article. Now the source by Flotmann, as well as others like Muggles, Monsters and Magicians, Creating Magical Worlds and "Harry Potter – National Hero and National Heroic Epic" all have commentary which goes significantly beyond a mention in passing, and can provide more material for an article which, as it is now, already goes beyond a stub. "A Postmodernistic Look at the Harry Potter Series" additionally has a much shorter, but non-trivial observation which I did not see in the other sources. The same is most likely true for Durmstrang. So both topics in my view fullfill WP:GNG. All that said, much coverage is done in direct comparison of Durmstrang and Beauxbaton. So while I think both could easily have their own article, I am also fine with them being covered in extended sections, or maybe even a combined section, at Places in Harry Potter. Daranios (talk) 11:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And like Penultimate supper stated, the analysis deals with themes around national identity and ethnicity in Harry Potter. So if there was and article about that, that might be a good place to cover both, and that might be a more encyclopedic approach than the list of locations, but I don't know of such an article so far. Daranios (talk) 15:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per sources discovered by Daranios. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:23, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of programmes broadcast by Urdu 1

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Tagged for notability in hopes of improvement but tag removed. A WP:BEFORE does not find significant coverage discussing the list as a whole so fails WP:NLIST. Would recommend merging the content to Urdu 1 but not finding significant coverage for the channel either. Looking at some of the programs listed, I believe a lot will fail notability as well. Searching for ("amanat" + "Urdu 1") finds nothing on Gnews, and only sources such as YouTube and social media in regular Google. CNMall41 (talk) 04:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: WP:NLIST says: "Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability.". Might need cleanup. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 05:36, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Urdu 1: I think there is not need for a separate programming page when the contents can be easily merged back into channel page. Wikibear47 (talk) 08:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Republican People's Party

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There is no such thing as the “New Republican People’s Party”. The phrase was used a couple of times by the former leader, but the sources don’t support the claim that it was consistently applied or had any specific meaning. Yes the former leader changed some of the party’s political direction, and perhaps a few sentences from this article could be merged into Republican People's Party, but essentially this just isn’t a thing. The article is based on WP:SYNTH. Mccapra (talk) 03:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: this refers to the (Turkish: Yeni Cumhuriyet Halk Partisi), not any other nation. — Maile (talk)
Speedy keep: The naming can be discussed but it is obvious that there is a notable, coherent topic here with reliable sources. Side note: speedily kept on the Turkish Wikipedia [6] TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 22:03, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Unnaiye Kadhalipen

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (films). Most of the sources are relating to Anjali Nair's wedding and not the film itself. The rest are just passing mentions. Other than the first Kungumam source (which doesn't give much), every other source is a passing mention. The title is just a general way of stating I love you [7] [8]. The film had one unreliable Filmibeat source [9], which was about the marriage incident, which is listed as unreliable at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force#Generally_used_sources.

Add two reviews (preferably reliable if possible) or reliable sources. DareshMohan (talk) 02:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Tamil films of 2010: as a standard alternative to deletion for released films with notable cast and coverage. Not opposed to keep if other users think coverage about production is sufficient. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kumaar

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Looking at the listed films, I cannot see where he is mentioned on some and the others I do find him in are not supported by the sources used. A WP:BEFORE finds no significant coverage. There is also some FAKEREFerences used such as those for the awards. The one he apparently won does NOT show the award won, only lists his name as a nomination. CNMall41 (talk) 02:17, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep. He is the lyricist of many songs and found some articles (reliable like Gaana, some aren't) [10] [11] [12]. Add citation needed to the award in question. DareshMohan (talk) 02:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I cannot find a reference to support the award so a citation needed tag would not suffice. The other references are not reliable. The first is a redaction of what was posted on Instagram, the second is WP:NEWSORGINDIA, and the third is all quotes from the subject (it also shows a byline but posted by Odisha Diary Bureau which indicates it could be a paid placement - not assuming it is but not the strongest of sources). --CNMall41 (talk) 18:44, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ionex

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None of the purported meanings are mentioned in any of the pages linked here. BD2412 T 01:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Kymco: Cannot find evidence of it being used to refer to ion exchange (in general) and the map formats, however, it is a legit subsidiary of Kymco (as listed in the dab) so we should redirect it there. MolecularPilot 02:03, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @MolecularPilot: If this is the case, then it would be nice to see a source supporting this proposition included in the Kymco article (which currently makes no mention of "Ionex" whatsoever). BD2412 T 02:08, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  [13] :) Molecular Pilot 02:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ionex is very common for ion exchange process and resins.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ionex+ion+exchange

Or my memory fails and Uncle Google fails too. Shaddack (talk) 02:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All those results are either the name of a company (or a product of a company) that doesn't meet WP:GNG. It doesn't seem to be a general term for the exchange of ions - which is what the linked article is about and makes no mention of these specific products. Molecular Pilot 06:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As of the ionospheric map exchange format, see this spec.

https://files.igs.org/pub/data/format/ionex1.pdf

Hard to argue about nonexistence of the thing with International GNSS Service that uses it. Shaddack (talk) 02:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But we don't have an article on the map format (it seems only to be used by that specific company or in a very niche area and may not meet WP:GNG). What would the point of the DAB be? Molecular Pilot 06:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kaoli Isshiki

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. No significant coverage in any of the sources. Two of the three cited sources don't even mention the subject, and the one source that does simply lists her as one of several singers in a chamber choir (she is one of four singers in the soprano section). 4meter4 (talk) 01:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I looked as promised, don't know yet. Solo appearance at the BBC Proms is at least something. I added some external links to check out. Her repertoire seems off the beaten track, plenty contemporary, and we might want to support that. I found the ref from which most of the article was taken and reworded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
adding: the French article has 24 references. I guess that some are those I also found (now in external links). Will look closer tomorrow, but someone knowing French might be more more successful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I haven't looked at those yet, but the English article is now referenced. For me, she is notable enough, having made interesting recordings, with notable ensembles and conductors, and only favourable reviews. She is not a diva-type soprano: that should not be a reason to delete. The article serves many links to music that is not normally in focus, both Baroque as contemporary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the French sources, I need help to not misread the French:
1. [14] This Le Monde article says that she won a prize.
2. [15] This is a more detailed review of her singing (not just "outstanding").
3. [16] recital
4. [17] recording --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt I don't think this in-depth enough to meet WP:SIGCOV. The last source is selling her CD and is not independent or significant coverage. The prod-s.com website also lacks independence. The Le Monde article spends half a sentence on her, and is a smaller not all that notable prize. The main prize went to another performer, Richard Rittelman, who deservedly is the focus of that article. Only the anaclase.com source approaches significant coverage (and honestly it isn't long enough to be considered in-depth as it devotes less than a paragraph of the article to her performance). Laurent Cuniot is the main subject of that article not Isshiki. There's not enough here to pass WP:NSINGER or WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO.4meter4 (talk) 21:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is Wikipedia only for those who win first prize? - This is a performer of several unusual recordings, and performances in Paris, Brussels, Proms, ... - Aldeburgh could be added. - Deborah Sasson was kept, but achieved less in the music world. She knew how to attract the press, however. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt This has nothing to do with the evaluating the worth of prize winners, but evaluating the quality of coverage of Kaoli Isshiki in sources. A half sentence of text is not significant coverage, and if the award were significant we would expect more coverage in independent media or academic publications. We can only build articles based on our notability guidelines which requires that we support articles with extant sources that contain significant coverage. That does mean that what journalists and academics choose to pay attention to directly impacts the types of articles we can create because we can't engage in WP:Original Research. That is both a limitation and a strength of writing on wikipedia. The fact that you have yet to locate any sources directly about Isshiki where she is the primary subject indicates that she isn't notable for wikipedia's purposes. This indicates that a journalist or an academic researcher needs to do some work before we can have an article and it is WP:TOOSOON for wikipedia to write on this person.4meter4 (talk) 22:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that our coverage should depend on one reviewer's or academic's personal attention or lack of that, when her contributions to music are facts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions
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Liz, could you please notify relevant projects, such as Opera and Women (in Music, in Red), - Song is not relevant. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 2010 Northern Sumatra earthquake

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This was essentially a felt event. With a maximum felt intensity of V (""Moderate""), it does not qualify to be on any of our lists of earthquakes, so no place to redirect. From the impact summary of the USGS report "Slight damage and a power outage reported on Simeulue. Felt (V) at Banda Aceh and Meulaboh; (IV) at Medan, Nias and Padang; (III) at Riau and Sibolga; (II) at Jakarta. Felt (III) at Alor Setar, Ayer Itam and Tanjong Bunga; (II) at Bukit Mertajam, Butterworth, Gelugor, Georgetown, Kuala Lumpur, Nibong Tebal and Tanjong Tokong, Malaysia. Felt in much of Peninsular Malaysia. Felt (III) at Phuket, Thailand. Also felt at Bangkok, Hat Yai and Yala. Felt (II) at Rangoon, Burma and at Vientiane, Laos. Also felt (II) in Singapore." Dawnseeker2000 01:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no sustained coverage Traumnovelle (talk) 03:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Admittedly, the nomination statement is of little relevance since seismic statistics don't determine notability. However, this topic still fails WP:NEVENT due to a dearth of WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE both from checking the foreign language Wikipedia articles and searching elsewhere. Left guide (talk) 07:36, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DXKS-FM (Cagayan de Oro)

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Recently recreated page after earlier prod, evidently with the same tags. The station does exist (the NTC pulled a Mexico and double-dipped on DXKS) and has been around a while but needs citation help urgently to meet the GNG, a problem common to Philippines radio station articles. See also title DXKS-FM (CDO). Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vishal Singh (politician)

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This is about an insignificant politician who is not elected to any state level, national level and even local level body. He is merely an officeholder in a government organisation. It fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. Adamantine123 (talk) 00:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: not elected to any legislative body, fails WP:NPOL TheSlumPanda (talk) 04:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines for WP:NPOLITICIAN, as the subject holds a national-wide office, serving as the Chairman of the National Cooperative Consumers Federation of India (NCCF), the apex body for consumer cooperatives in India. The notability for politicians are not limited to holding legislative positions. WP:NPOL clearly states, "Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels.” National-wide office applies to his role at NCCF. The subject has held a few roles in other cooperative and government bodies in India, some of which are major, including being elected as a Director of NAFED[ref]. The page can be kept. --Vikasudayrajsharma (talk) 11:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The subject appears to lack notability, having held non-notable roles at organizations of limited prominence. Alternatively, consider a redirect, such as to the National Agricultural Cooperative Marketing Federation of India. Please see article hist for more information TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 15:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to National Agricultural Cooperative Marketing Federation of India, of which he’s chairman. I’m not sure if anyone will be looking for him under the phrase (politician) in the sense that he’s a party leader, not an elected official, but it’s a good alternative to deletion. Bearian (talk) 02:15, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there is no consensus here yet. As far as I understand it, "officeholder" in POL means being elected or appointed to a government position, agency or legislative body, not having a position or "office" in a NGO or other organization.
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Blake Alma (numismatist)

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Previously deleted as WP:Articles for deletion/Blake Alma (TV Host) and in the first nomination, and salted as Blake Alma. WP:REFBOMBED with unreliable sources, quotes, passing mentions, etc. with very little actual significant coverage cited.

(Not tagging for speedy deletion because it's been several years so things could plausibly have changed. But the refs here fail to convince me they have) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And let's titleblacklist .*blake.*alma once this is closed as delete so we can finally stop this campaign or whatever. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The article as provided demonstrates significant developments in Blake Alma's notability since the 2018 deletion. The sources cited, particularly WCPO (a major Cincinnati ABC affiliate), K-Love (a nationally syndicated radio network), and multiple Cincinnati Enquirer archive pieces, offer substantial, independent coverage that extends well beyond passing mentions or quotes.

These are not unreliable sources or self-promotion; they are established, reputable media outlets providing significant coverage of Alma's work and impact. The WCPO and Cincinnati Enquirer pieces offer in-depth reporting on Alma's activities and influence in the outdoor and conservation spheres.

This is not a case of WP:REFBOMBING. Each source included provides meaningful, substantial coverage. A thorough review of these sources, paying close attention to the depth of coverage and the independence of the reporting, is warranted.

The current body of coverage, coming from established and independent media outlets, meets Wikipedia's notability criteria. The subject has clearly gained significant attention since the previous AfD, justifying a reevaluation of his notability status. If there are specific concerns about any of the sources or their content, they should be addressed individually rather than dismissing the article outright. Delawaretallman (talk) 17:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the detailed breakdown...I totally agree! I put a lot of effort into this article and it's great to see someone else recognizing how Alma's profile has grown since the other deletion which I wasn't aware of until a live admin told me. Those sources really do show he's become noteworthy for this page. Thanks @Delawaretallman Coincollector4500 (talk) 18:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're most welcome. Upon further review, some of the data in media coverage seems slightly like a form WP:REFBOMBING however, if cleaned up you should be just fine. Just use the secondary and primary sources that are in-depth. @Coincollector4500 Good luck! Delawaretallman (talk) 18:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lastly, you quoted him on a religious statement from seemingly a personal social media account as the last source. I'd suggest you'd find that on a public account or another source. Looks like the K-Love article also quoted from that video so I suggest using that as the source. Delawaretallman (talk) 18:15, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: if kept, this needs to be moved to Blake Alma. St Anselm (talk) 14:07, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and that title is salted. That's how I found this article. I periodically run a report that looks for articles created at extra-long titles to evade salting. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It appears the title was salted 11 years ago however. Delawaretallman (talk) 16:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And that decision was reinforced several times since. You (plural) clearly knew you were circumventing a decision Wikipedia has made several times to not have an article on this person, and did it anyway. The lack of respect that shows for Wikipedia's processes is shocking. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it does look like the notability has changed. So yes, it should have been created in draft space and then an administrator could have moved it. But the process has nothing to do with whether it should be kept now. St Anselm (talk) 17:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate you bringing this to my attention. However, I'm not aware of any disrespect I've shown towards Wikipedia's processes or decisions. If I've inadvertently done so, I sincerely apologize. Could you please provide more specific information about the decision you're referring to? I'm always eager to learn and improve my contributions to Wikipedia. If there's been a misunderstanding, I'd be happy to discuss it further and ensure we're aligned with community consensus moving forward. Delawaretallman (talk) 17:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That "you" was really directed more to Coincollector4500, and I (perhaps erroneously) guilted you by association. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the clarification. I did provide some guidance to Coincollector4500, but I have no association with the article's creator. I appreciate you bringing this to my attention, as it's important to maintain transparency in Wikipedia collaborations. If there are concerns about the article's creation or maintenance, I'd be happy to discuss them further to ensure we're adhering to Wikipedia's policies and community decisions. Delawaretallman (talk) 17:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: the subject now passes GNG. St Anselm (talk) 17:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The only sources that get close to WP:GNG-qualifying are WCPO, KLove, and Spectrum News. The WCPO piece predates all the other AfD discussions and appears almost entirely based on an WP:INTERVIEW that doesn't appear to involve substantial journalistic work beyond the comments from Alma, making it a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. The new-ish KLove piece is highly promotional and one-sided, with language like Blake Alma's story is one of remarkable success and profound personal transformation.... his journey from a successful entrepreneur to a college student underscores the significance of aligning one's professional achievements with personal convictions. His narrative, enriched with personal reflections and aspirations, serves as an inspiration, highlighting the courage it takes to pursue a path that truly resonates with one's values and beliefs, even when it diverges from a successful, established route. This is transparently not an independent source, and again appears based solely on Alma's word, not original reporting. The same goes for the Spectrum News piece, it's based solely on Alma's words. The handful of Cincinnati Enquirer stories are likewise interview-based human interest pieces that function as primary sources since they're entirely based on Alma's words or videos. (Worth noting: the four Enquirer stories are not actually linked on the site of the publication or on ProQuest, but are copyright violations posted on a personal webhost service that coincidentally only includes these four articles and nothing else: https://cincinnatiarchives.tiiny.site/. I am deleting them from the article per WP:COPYLINK.). The rest of the links are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS or press releases that don't support notability. Based on the non-independence of the sources used, I don't believe we have a WP:GNG pass here. The salting of the original article title was wise, and I agree with Pppery that additional permutations of this article title should be salted to avoid AfC evasion. Finally, this article was created a single-purpose account whose only other work was a draft for Alma's company CoinHub Media, so I strongly suspect we have a case of WP:UPE here as well. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You raise some valid points about the WCPO source - I agree it appears to be interview-based, and the unclear sourcing of the video content does make it less reliable as a provable independent source. However, I respectfully disagree about the K-love article. While it does contain some promotional-sounding language, this appears to be more a reflection of K-love established editorial style as a religous broadcasting network rather than a lack of independence. Klove is a national broadcasting network (operating over 400 stations) and should be a recognized secondary source. The religious perspective in their reporting shouldn't disqualify it as a reliable source. Regarding the Cincinnati Enquirer articles, that was a good catch and yes, you did a fine job of removing that. It appears a random IP address tried to fix the issue, presumably the article's creator. The Spectrum News piece, while containing interview footage, is reporting and verification of Alma's business operations, and is primary source material. I overall personally disagree with your assessment to delete but I do appreciate your viewpoint, and you've done excellent work catching the Cincinnati Enquirer citation issues and raising valid questions about the WCPO source. Delawaretallman (talk) 16:57, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right, but the Spectrum News piece verifies things by quoting... Alma himself. There's no evidence of other sources for Alma's claims. And the KLove piece appears to be based on nothing more than... Alma's claims about himself. And there's no evidence that KLove is operating as a real news organization per WP:NEWSORG. It has no editorial staff listing on its site, and it has no public editorial policy or statements about fact-checking or corrections. Its news feed (https://www.klove.com/news) is mostly reprints of wire stories mixed in with WP:USERGENERATED content. And its mission is explicitly about creating positive and inspiring content (see its "Positive People" feed), which means its content will always be editorially positive and thus introduces questions about independence and reliability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. We need to hear more assessment of the sources here and opinions on what should happen with this article and whether or no notability can be established.
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Delete: after looking at them, only 3 of the sources are valid and not just passing mentions as Dclemens1971 stated. For WCPO per WP:RS "Human interest reporting is generally not as reliable as news reporting" and that's basically all it is. It's just about "wow this kid discovered the outdoors (and A LOT of specifics about the journey) and runs a small (now defunct) podcast", nothing related to what he does today and doesn't show anything relating to NOTABILITY. The KLove and Spectrum articles are also human interest, and all they do is repeat what he said with little else. Parroting what he said, without analysis or contextualization, is a primary source. WP:BIO: "primary sources... do not [prove] notability". I also echo concerns raised by Dclemens1971 over the reliability of KLove as a legit WP:NEWSORG, I cannot find any evidence of editors, editorial policies or oversight.Molecular Pilot 01:55, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt: Even in otherwise-reliable publications, you aren't going to meet the GNG with interviews alone (and I also question whether K-Love—which while a national radio network is more known for its Christian music programming than anything resembling journalism—even constitutes generally-RS for our purposes to start with). As to the UPE concerns mentioned earlier: there has been socking in relation to this topic in the past involving at least most of the previous creation attempts, for what that's worth. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:36, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete & salt It's an interesting one. On the face of it, the sources look plenty. Take out the non-reliable sources (NY Post, Goodreads, social media) and the ones that are about numismatics rather than Alma, as well as the CoinHub ones of course, and you're still left with several. If we were merely counting the number of sources, GNG would be easily satisfied. Alas, they are all of the 'young person does business' type, the sort of stuff you might see as the 'kicker' ie. the final light piece in a local news bulletin. These often come about because either the subject, or someone close to them, is good at playing the media game and/or has the right contacts. And judging by the persistence with which this is being pushed into Wikipedia, I get the feeling we're very much part of that publicity campaign. For that reason, I'm also asking for salt, because otherwise I expect we shall meet here again before long. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]